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Theeyeballsinthesky · 2024-04-05T13:51:26+00:00

[[https://x.com/channel4news/status/1776213472662946143?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg https://x.com/channel4news/status/1776213472662946143?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg]] i found this really interesting and I do agree that women often adopt this approach. I know I have - trying to humour or placate a man when I know I can’t get away and certainly can’t fight

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 06/04/2024 00:46

OceanicBoundlessness · 05/04/2024 18:36

That's interesting do you have more info on this please? and which sport?

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It was rugby, now withdrawn. I didn't read it myself but, from what I have seen reported, there was a load of really sexist stuff, alongside this reasonable observation about women's different reactions to threat.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/04/2024 00:42

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/04/2024 15:17

Quite. Th the 'man on the train' issue. Creep man on the train creeps on you:

You ignore "rude fucking bitch"
You engage a small amount "why are you so unfriendly, bitch"
You engage nicely "you're so lovely, I love you"
You disengage because creepy "cock tease bitch"
You move, he follows
You shout "hysterical bitch"
You freeze "you love it"
Eventually you fight because there's nothing left and then he's stronger than you. You're a loser.

If you choose any single one of the above, you will be asked why you didn't choose any other of the above. And you don't have the fight left to explain misogyny to idiots.

Brilliant post @MrsTerryPratchett

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/04/2024 20:02

Rightsraptor · 05/04/2024 18:21

Yet this is being contested by a sports body, isn't it? I read it's been deemed misogynistic or something to imply that women don't react the same as men.

From some training manual, that's been withdrawn to due noncompliance with gender bollox, I think.

I'm fairly sure men would develop the same responses if they were regularly sexually harassed by 7 foot tall aggressive men.

But they aren't.

OceanicBoundlessness · 05/04/2024 18:36

Rightsraptor · 05/04/2024 18:21

Yet this is being contested by a sports body, isn't it? I read it's been deemed misogynistic or something to imply that women don't react the same as men.

From some training manual, that's been withdrawn to due noncompliance with gender bollox, I think.

That's interesting do you have more info on this please? and which sport?

Rightsraptor · 05/04/2024 18:21

Yet this is being contested by a sports body, isn't it? I read it's been deemed misogynistic or something to imply that women don't react the same as men.

From some training manual, that's been withdrawn to due noncompliance with gender bollox, I think.

RethinkingLife · 05/04/2024 18:19

I've found it helpful to see how they've been extended (I recognise some of these extra responses, depending on context).

The 5 Fs: fight, flight, freeze, flop or friend.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/tools-for-victims-and-survivors/understanding-your-response/fight-or-flight/

The 7 Fs: fight, fright, flight, freeze, flop/faint, flag, fawn.

https://positivepsychology.com/trauma-response/

The 5 Fs: fight, flight, freeze, flop and friend

Wondering why you didn't fight back or run? In fact, many people freeze, flop or 'friend' in response to rape, sexual assault or sexual violence. Find out more.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/tools-for-victims-and-survivors/understanding-your-response/fight-or-flight

UtopiaPlanitia · 05/04/2024 17:58

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/04/2024 15:17

Quite. Th the 'man on the train' issue. Creep man on the train creeps on you:

You ignore "rude fucking bitch"
You engage a small amount "why are you so unfriendly, bitch"
You engage nicely "you're so lovely, I love you"
You disengage because creepy "cock tease bitch"
You move, he follows
You shout "hysterical bitch"
You freeze "you love it"
Eventually you fight because there's nothing left and then he's stronger than you. You're a loser.

If you choose any single one of the above, you will be asked why you didn't choose any other of the above. And you don't have the fight left to explain misogyny to idiots.

👏💐🏆

Excellent summation of the options and outcomes.

Depressingly realistic too 😟

ResisterRex · 05/04/2024 17:53

You'd be a fool to complain. You keep safe and get out.

OceanicBoundlessness · 05/04/2024 15:25

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 05/04/2024 15:17

Well that’s exactly it Rex. Every time our regular TRA turn up to tell us that women don’t mind TW in their changing rooms/toilets/groups because no one has ever confronted them and complained it’s exactly this. Exactly what’s in this interview - we’re not male, we have different tactics to manage frightening situations with men becatse we know they’re bigger & stronger than we are

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MrsTerryPratchett · 05/04/2024 15:17

Quite. Th the 'man on the train' issue. Creep man on the train creeps on you:

You ignore "rude fucking bitch"
You engage a small amount "why are you so unfriendly, bitch"
You engage nicely "you're so lovely, I love you"
You disengage because creepy "cock tease bitch"
You move, he follows
You shout "hysterical bitch"
You freeze "you love it"
Eventually you fight because there's nothing left and then he's stronger than you. You're a loser.

If you choose any single one of the above, you will be asked why you didn't choose any other of the above. And you don't have the fight left to explain misogyny to idiots.

ResisterRex · 05/04/2024 15:10

Like when men chat about their petticoats in the ladies'.