Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime

queenrowling · Today 10:31

I think we're seeing the slow steady disintegration of Stonewall in real time.

You may well be right, their revenues are down, because increasing numbers of organisations no longer subscribe to their batshit "advice" and won't pay for it.

Accidentally, or even deliberately, using the correct sex pronoun versus a sign saying 'decapitate terfs' - which is clear incitement to violence.

Hmmm, not really the same thing, even in cloud cuckoo Stonewall land.

I bloody love MN. I wasn't expecting a response, as it was a bit of a throwaway comment, and yet I got an evidenced-based one. 😂

Thank you! I can rest assured in my SPAG when saying how much I hope Stonewall get held to account for including in their training the suggestion that misgendering is illegal.

TBH when someone calls me a "hate-filled bigot", I just replace their words in my head with "You're a big poo poo meany smelly bum" as that's about as much as those words mean to me from someone who advocates for the erasure of the rights of women and children.

There's always "threatening behaviour" under the Public Order Act 1986.

I think we're seeing the slow steady disintegration of Stonewall in real time. Their undue influence in all walks of life has been seen to be too heavy handed and terrifying when police and public bodies treat stonewall law as the actual law of the land. Which it aint.

I hope someone's told Starbucks...

I hope this isn’t going to be a Stonewall twist in the tail.

If misgendering someone isn’t an actual crime, though a crime involving “real” violence towards a transgender person obviously is, then are they also going to say that writing placards asking for women to be hung or threatening women with rape aren’t real crimes either because they are only words, not actual crimes of violence.

Especially since misogyny was so unfortunately accidentally left off the Scottish hate crimes bill…………

This new law has really been a giver of hope.

Thank you BONNIE WEE SCOTLAND.

(SPAG question: one or two t's in 'ferreting/ feretting'? I feel like it should be two. Need to get it right as suspect I'll be using this phrase a lot in coming days and weeks)

Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries as well as Britannica all have one 't' in 'ferreting' and 'ferreted'.

Exactly. They should issue an urgent recall on their advice (and scan of a "scheme") that's caused endless upset and division in workplaces then. And apologise to the (mostly) women who've suffered so much as a result of them and their desperation to trans gay children.

Good point. The interesting issue is what is a belief and what is a fact. Facts about biological sex and chromosomes should never be called a belief when they ARE facts.

And just to add - misgendering might not be a crime but the police and many workplaces have been - in many cases - acting as if it were.

And the people to blame for that are Stonewall and their women-hating training. They directly have resulted in women being harmed.

So they can fuck off with their reverse ferreting now.

(SPAG question: one or two t's in 'ferreting/ feretting'? I feel like it should be two. Need to get it right as suspect I'll be using this phrase a lot in coming days and weeks)

God they're as tiresome as they are despicable. Just FOTTFSOFAFOSM and do the entire country a favour.

True, but that shunning and reviling is harassment. Real harassment and until now, not recognized as such. Because of the real bigotry against middle aged women who speak up for reality, women and children.

If you correctly sex a person, Stonewall says you're not a criminal, you're just a disgusting, hate-filled bigot who should be shunned and reviled.

I think that might be an accurate description of the current state of play.

I'm fairly sure one of kjks police interviews was about her calling a man with a feminine gender identity a man. Kate Scottows trial was basically about misgendering IIRC I doubt she'd have been ripped away from her family thrown in a cell and denied sanpro for a Twitter spat with a few insults with some random bloke? Can the police demonstrate they've taken similar punitive action against all equal Twitter spats? I doubt it. It was because of the trans complainant.

In Maya's appeal judgement there was something about how persistent misgendering could conceivably constitute harassment with IIRC no comment on who gets to make that judgement call nor on how fucking unbelievably difficult it is not to use normal, correct , English (with sex class based pronouns). So difficult that even total gender zealots can't manage it in court on multiple occasions despite the stakes (and their ardent desire to punish the unbelievers) - seen in Jo Ps, Rachel Meade's, Allison Bailey's, Denise Fahmy's Roz As cases from memory - am sure there are more. No one can keep up the gender based pronouns for long. All these women are sheroes.

So, no, correct sexing should not be a crime, but women have repeatedly been abused and harassed for not going along with the lying. It's been a classic case of Darvo and in many cases the police have punished women for doing so.

Goodness only knows how many women have been up on disciplinarians or lost their jobs due to misgendering.

It's phenomenal that essentially JKR has said, if you're going to abuse these less powerful women for doing this - knowing the pain, loss and stress so many women have been through then I will be there with them and you'll have to take me on too and the reverse ferreting has begun in earnest. She is so incredibly brave and a wonderful strategist too. The perfect moment.

OMG.

Each day since 1st April has brought more boggle to the table, huh.

They (and others) are only saying it now because JKR wasn't arrested and the police said there was no case to answer. Reverse ferret 101. If she had been their statements and posts would be significantly different.

All that grifting.

All those pronoun badges 😬

All that training 😶

Good to know Stonewall, all that ridiculous my pronouns are shit can get in the bin where it should be.

Someone somewhere really needs the nickname Seamas Wiesel..

The Stonewall Weasels: Misgendering was never illegal, we knew that all along! It was only ever like criticising a religion. Still, we all thought it was worth deplatforming, cancelling, banning and ruining all those who committed this non-crime! Getting courts and rozzers involved too, naturally! Ousting people from their jobs and public life. Turning a blind eye to rape threats, death threats, violence and doxxing of women. Forcing people to publicly repent if they step out of line and dare to question the ideology.

Yep, those weasels really are shameless.

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