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Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime

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PriOn1 · 04/04/2024 06:07

In an astonishing twist, Stonewall has stated that correctly sexing men is not a crime.

They are, of course, only admitting this now it’s been made very clear by Police Scotland’s reaction to JK Rowling.

They said nothing over the years as women were chucked off social media, for correctly sexing men. Not sure if anyone was actually arrested for only doing it, but they have allowed the fear to fester on and on, leading to chilling of free speech.

What a bunch of weasels they are.

https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1775643089010385141?s=20

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
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RethinkingLife · 04/04/2024 13:42

EpicPineapple · 04/04/2024 13:25

I’m very interested in why and how Stonewall and other extremists have been allowed to train government servants like the police and teachers. If you want to train a junior chef, you get a senior chef to do it. If you want to train a junior mechanic or lawyer you use a senior mechanic or lawyer. Why do we train junior police with a political lobby group?

I can definitely understand this, in some cases.

When the Police have, historically, not had to pay attention to how they connect with deaf people, people with learning disabilities etc. then they'd learn little from previous or current practices. I'd fully endorse them buying in training from a lobby group that represents Deaf charities or LD charities/organisations.

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 13:30

'pinafore' is literally the two English words 'pin' and 'afore' - an apron whose bib you pin to your front.

'pinniped' comes from the Latin words pinna 'fin' and pes, pedis 'foot'.

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 13:29

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 13:21

No. I can give you the etymology if you've time to waste...

One thing I didn't know until today is that the closest relatives of the pinnipeds (walrus, sea lions, fur seals, true seals) are the musteloids, which include weasels and ferrets.

Neat, eh?

Thanks, but I was joking about pinafores.

Fascinating to hear about the kinship, though. I did not know that.

EpicPineapple · 04/04/2024 13:25

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 04/04/2024 10:12

And just to add - misgendering might not be a crime but the police and many workplaces have been - in many cases - acting as if it were.

And the people to blame for that are Stonewall and their women-hating training. They directly have resulted in women being harmed.

So they can fuck off with their reverse ferreting now.

(SPAG question: one or two t's in 'ferreting/ feretting'? I feel like it should be two. Need to get it right as suspect I'll be using this phrase a lot in coming days and weeks)

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I’m very interested in why and how Stonewall and other extremists have been allowed to train government servants like the police and teachers. If you want to train a junior chef, you get a senior chef to do it. If you want to train a junior mechanic or lawyer you use a senior mechanic or lawyer. Why do we train junior police with a political lobby group?

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:24

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 13:21

No. I can give you the etymology if you've time to waste...

One thing I didn't know until today is that the closest relatives of the pinnipeds (walrus, sea lions, fur seals, true seals) are the musteloids, which include weasels and ferrets.

Neat, eh?

That is SO satisfying!

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:23

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 13:15

I'm taking that to mean that seals' flippers are named after pinafores.

I can't think what else it could be, TBH.

RethinkingLife · 04/04/2024 13:21

misscockerspaniel · 04/04/2024 10:57

Stonewall is biding its time until the general election puts the mealy-mouthed Labour Party into power. It will then use the statute book to douse us. Or rather, try to douse us.

Our fight is far from won.

Extirpating the influence of people already in position will take decades.

There are minor victories and the publicity is heartening but Denton's strategy has worked. They're in place everywhere, influencing and writing policy with negligible oversight and almost no mechanism for revising, far less tearing it up (see GRA 2004).

People who are padding their CVs with Stonewall accolades will continue because social pressure to be an ally works.

Does anyone thing the command and control of NHS is going to reverse any time soon? Especially as there's a culture that lauds bullying combined with a public face as angelic?

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 13:21

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 13:15

I'm taking that to mean that seals' flippers are named after pinafores.

No. I can give you the etymology if you've time to waste...

One thing I didn't know until today is that the closest relatives of the pinnipeds (walrus, sea lions, fur seals, true seals) are the musteloids, which include weasels and ferrets.

Neat, eh?

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 13:19

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:09

I was actually privileged to see a weasel mother moving her litter from one (obviously somehow compromised) under-tree trunk burrow to somewhere she considered safer.

She was tiny, and carried five minute kits, one at a time across the field where I was standing, through another field of cattle to her preferred place. There may have been more - I don't know if she'd been busy before I spotted her. I would guess, size-wise, it would have been like me carrying five cocker spaniels, one after another, a distance of a couple of miles, and coming back each time for the next. All at full speed.

It was pure good fortune that I spotted her and the dog didn't, (though the dog was an elderly west and probably wouldn't have bothered) - I leashed her and just watched the drama unfold until Mammy Weasel didn't come back for any more.

it was thrilling - I wished I'd had a camera. I' d love to know what she had felt threatened. I can only think it was something that humans were doing - I can't imagine weasels have many enemies, though they were very tiny babies, so maybe badgers or foxes might have taken them?

Edit for autocarrot

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Lucky you! It is exactly that - a privilege - to see animals behaving naturally in their habitat.

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 13:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:43

Is that a support-seal identifying as a dog?

As long as it's a sincerely held belief that pinnipeds can be quadrupeds, I suppose that's acceptable.

I'm taking that to mean that seals' flippers are named after pinafores.

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 13:14

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:00

Have you any links @turbonerd ?

Sorry crap at links. I know I must do better, just not good at technological stuff. And most of this info is on SM or in much smaller news outlets.
It is not in the big, national newspapers here, and I don’t expect it will be - they didn’t write a jot about Sturgeon’s Downfall either.
But - people are talking irl and on social media.
It is good, because it exposes the madness.

*here is in Scandinavia

MsAsparagus · 04/04/2024 13:09

anyolddinosaur · 04/04/2024 11:47

Isnt Alison Bailey still appealing on Stonewall's contribution?

I have it in my diary for sometime in May.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:09

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:56

Oh, just saw this one.
The weasel-reputation has been tattered by The Wind in the Willows.

(I still like a Sneak of Weasels, though. They sort of do Sneak around).

This law, and the big orgs responses, are getting much International attention and SCORN.
It is marvellous to behold.

I was actually privileged to see a weasel mother moving her litter from one (obviously somehow compromised) under-tree trunk burrow to somewhere she considered safer.

She was tiny, and carried five minute kits, one at a time across the field where I was standing, through another field of cattle to her preferred place. There may have been more - I don't know if she'd been busy before I spotted her. I would guess, size-wise, it would have been like me carrying five cocker spaniels, one after another, a distance of a couple of miles, and coming back each time for the next. All at full speed.

It was pure good fortune that I spotted her and the dog didn't, (though the dog was an elderly west and probably wouldn't have bothered) - I leashed her and just watched the drama unfold until Mammy Weasel didn't come back for any more.

it was thrilling - I wished I'd had a camera. I' d love to know what she had felt threatened. I can only think it was something that humans were doing - I can't imagine weasels have many enemies, though they were very tiny babies, so maybe badgers or foxes might have taken them?

Edit for autocarrot

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/04/2024 13:04

So... focusing on misgendering, which is "literal violence" only serves to trivialise real violence?

Come again?

Oh look, a ferret reversing!

IcakethereforeIam · 04/04/2024 13:03

I was slightly addicted to Ozzy the Desktop weasel on YouTube. The cutest thing ever. Small and fearless.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 13:00

Have you any links @turbonerd ?

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:56

Beowulfa · 04/04/2024 11:00

I feel some of the comments on this thread are very unfair. Weasels are fearless, resourceful predators and as Britain's smallest carnivore often hunt animals larger than themselves. Weasel mothers are the sole providers for their litter and will fiercely defend their young against larger attackers.

I will offer up "a bunch of brazen Tatchells" as an alternative.

Oh, just saw this one.
The weasel-reputation has been tattered by The Wind in the Willows.

(I still like a Sneak of Weasels, though. They sort of do Sneak around).

This law, and the big orgs responses, are getting much International attention and SCORN.
It is marvellous to behold.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:54

PriOn1 · 04/04/2024 06:07

In an astonishing twist, Stonewall has stated that correctly sexing men is not a crime.

They are, of course, only admitting this now it’s been made very clear by Police Scotland’s reaction to JK Rowling.

They said nothing over the years as women were chucked off social media, for correctly sexing men. Not sure if anyone was actually arrested for only doing it, but they have allowed the fear to fester on and on, leading to chilling of free speech.

What a bunch of weasels they are.

https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1775643089010385141?s=20

Just as a matter of interest - now that we are allowed to correctly sex men, does that mean we have every right to keep them out of single-sex spaces?

Asking for women and girls everywhere.

Edited because I had put "correctly sex me" and not "correctly sex men".

Sorry about that. Not easy to correctly sex me with my post-menopausal moustache, but I don't consider it literal violence to get it wrong, so don't anybody worry about it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:51

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 11:00

That's going to be Stonewall, isn't it? Deny, minimize, project..
I just wish some of the big organizations who bought in their dodgy advice and now realise they've been sold a pup (a pop with huge legal implications...one for the AI to visualise!) they'll sue the living daylights out of them.😠

Stonewall managed to weasel out of any blame in the Alison Bailey case.

Probably shot themselves in the foot with that, as other organisations will have seen that they couldn't rely on their batshittery advice or support.

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 12:49

nauticant · 04/04/2024 08:43

Collective noun:

A boogle of weasels; A confusion of weasels; A gang of weasels; A pack of weasels; A sneak of weasels.

Henceforth I will always use a Sneak of Weasels as the collective noun

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:45

Alltheprettyseahorses · 04/04/2024 09:37

They (and others) are only saying it now because JKR wasn't arrested and the police said there was no case to answer. Reverse ferret 101. If she had been their statements and posts would be significantly different.

Indeed - a Reverse of Weasels is surely the right term?

They are nearly ferrets. (Apologies to all other mustelids - except stoats, they are little bar stewards, too)

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/04/2024 12:43

ArabellaScott · 04/04/2024 08:53

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Is that a support-seal identifying as a dog?

As long as it's a sincerely held belief that pinnipeds can be quadrupeds, I suppose that's acceptable.

ruffler45 · 04/04/2024 12:43

I read this statement with interest. I expect the line will be that of course it isn’t a crime, it is just immoral.

What's "immoral" about it, it's a sane person's opinion of the facts as they see them.

IcakethereforeIam · 04/04/2024 12:36

Just a sec! So their name isn't 'Idul Wadhwa'. All this time, I thought the Mr bit was a title Easter Blush

Thank heavens I never met the person, that could have been embarrassing.

Sandwichgen · 04/04/2024 12:26

'...everyone deserves to feel safe while going about their daily lives...' huh? Like women (XX women, for the avoidance of doubt) in changing rooms, loos, prisons ?