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Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime

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PriOn1 · 04/04/2024 06:07

In an astonishing twist, Stonewall has stated that correctly sexing men is not a crime.

They are, of course, only admitting this now it’s been made very clear by Police Scotland’s reaction to JK Rowling.

They said nothing over the years as women were chucked off social media, for correctly sexing men. Not sure if anyone was actually arrested for only doing it, but they have allowed the fear to fester on and on, leading to chilling of free speech.

What a bunch of weasels they are.

https://x.com/Jebadoo2/status/1775643089010385141?s=20

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RethinkingLife · 05/04/2024 12:13

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2024 11:14

I agree that a bit of levity is usually welcome - but I drew the line at Tunnocks in another thread - I think it was you who provided me with a photo of the obscure confectionary items, ESV? I had lots of responses buzzing around my head but it was such a serious thread even I felt it would be inappropriate to make a meal of the Tunnocks, so to speak. So I take this oppo to thank you for the introduction to the Mythical [to me] Tunnock.
They look like chocolatey biscuity marshmallowy thingies, and TBH ... um... not my kinda thing. I'd just lick all the chocolate off and ignore the other bits.
Is that heresy? Will I now be blocked from ever posting on MN again? Or are you all rubbing your hands and saying 'Triff, more Tunnocks for us then'?
But thank you, it's good to know what ye're all salivating over when you mention themSmile

You keep Tunnocks Teacakes* in stock for Scots/Scottish S'mores. You pop them on a campfire/barbecue in their foil and serve.

https://www.foodiequine.co.uk/2015/01/shortest-day-food-in-wood-with-bbqd.html

*The Caramel Logs are to be avoided by all right-thinking people aka those who consider dried coconut the devil's dandruff and to taste of soap.

Shortest Day Food in the Wood with BBQ'd Tunnocks Teacakes

Festive Food in the Wood for the Shortest Day, Panettone French Toast, Tunnocks Teacake Scottish S'mores, Mulled Apple Juice

https://www.foodiequine.co.uk/2015/01/shortest-day-food-in-wood-with-bbqd.html

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 11:42

No worries - going through threads can be very time-consuming.

And it might have been me - I put all sorts of stuff on - I honestly can't recall (I hope it was - I'd be thrilled to have posted something memorable).

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2024 11:36

Phew! I'm glad the availability of the Tunnock was the deciding factor in your response to my heresy. Further proof to the doubters that MN is NOT an echo-chamber, heck they even allow criticism of Tunnocks!
Sorry if it was not you who posted the photo - I should really have gone back to check the thread/poster, but I'm too lazy. And it seemed an ESVish thing.
But I may have wrongly attributed it.
Anyway, bon appétit, all you Tunnock-fanciers, 'tous les goûts sont dans la nature', innit?

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 11:28

We are very forgiving @MarieDeGournay , and will allow you your likes and dislikes no matter how ridiculous and irrational, especially, as you say, when it means more Tunnocks for us!

I'm not sure I did provide the obscure confectionery - I think you may be crediting me with something I didn't do, but I honestly can't recall - what with weasels, knitting, Tiunnocks, biscuits, lemon drizzle cake etc, I cannot be definite.

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2024 11:14

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 11:00

So do I @MarieDeGournay

I live for some of the derails - they so often lighten the mood in threads that would otherwise be very heavy., emotionally. (Or have already been derailed by someone with an agenda - usually gets rid of these)

I agree that a bit of levity is usually welcome - but I drew the line at Tunnocks in another thread - I think it was you who provided me with a photo of the obscure confectionary items, ESV? I had lots of responses buzzing around my head but it was such a serious thread even I felt it would be inappropriate to make a meal of the Tunnocks, so to speak. So I take this oppo to thank you for the introduction to the Mythical [to me] Tunnock.
They look like chocolatey biscuity marshmallowy thingies, and TBH ... um... not my kinda thing. I'd just lick all the chocolate off and ignore the other bits.
Is that heresy? Will I now be blocked from ever posting on MN again? Or are you all rubbing your hands and saying 'Triff, more Tunnocks for us then'?
But thank you, it's good to know what ye're all salivating over when you mention themSmile

Onionbelt · 05/04/2024 11:03

misscockerspaniel · 04/04/2024 10:57

Stonewall is biding its time until the general election puts the mealy-mouthed Labour Party into power. It will then use the statute book to douse us. Or rather, try to douse us.

Our fight is far from won.

I agree. I'm terrified that the choice is between action on climate change and women's rights. And given the seriousness of the risks to women's (and children's) rights, do I seriously have to vote against action on climate change? F@$king Greens are totally gender woo. The left has completely abandoned women and children.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 11:00

So do I @MarieDeGournay

I live for some of the derails - they so often lighten the mood in threads that would otherwise be very heavy., emotionally. (Or have already been derailed by someone with an agenda - usually gets rid of these)

MarieDeGournay · 05/04/2024 10:57

'Woman with a Mustelid'
I💓MN derails!

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 10:56

turbonerd · 05/04/2024 09:46

It was probably mink.
Now I have to Google the difference between weasel and mink!

It WAS a fashion to have weasels (or mink) as pets. I Wonder why that stopped?

Wolverine is a mustelid. Whaddaya know!

It WAS a fashion to have weasels (or mink) as pets. I Wonder why that stopped?

Because the fuckers can take your finger off in less than a heartbeat and aren't as amenable to becoming tamed as ferrets are, I expect.

I've been bitten by a ferret- it hurts like hell.

I've never been close enough to a mink to get bitten, except my Horrible Nana's fur coat, and a couple of times when I've seen one dashing across a road in Scotland.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 10:50

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 20:51

Looks like the tail is longer in the stoat!
And I’m shocked at the size of those ferrets.

Was it weasel that was farmed not far from my house for fur some decades ago I wonder? It was mayhem when some activists released them all and the poor animals proceeded to wipe out much of our Bird population. It’s taken this long for some of them to recover.

I realise I’m terrible for derailing threads. I do apologize.

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Weasels are tiny- the one I saw was only about 6-7 inches (including her tail) and her babies were like little buttons.

Stoats are bigger than I'd realised I found when one of our cats killed one, and they're much stockier and chunkier.

I've had friends who kept and worked ferrets, and they can be pretty big, especially the holts (males), and even when they are neutered they stink to high heaven.

I've once seen a Pine Marten - it was chasing a rabbit, but seemed to be round about stoaty size.

I would recommend anyone hoping to catch a glimpse of any of these to get themselves to Scotland - that's where I've seen everything except the stoat (and the ferrets - they were in hutches in a friend's shed . . . stinky hutches in a stinky shed . . . )

Snowypeaks · 05/04/2024 10:46

Just noticed in that graphic about British mustelids that the weasel looks like a tiny furry dinosaur.

Emotionalsupportviper · 05/04/2024 10:39

NImumconfused · 04/04/2024 20:57

Suspect it was more likely to have mink? They're really vicious little things.

Yes - I've seen a mink or too in the wild, too - those fecking activists released a predator that has decimated huge numbers of Britain's wildlife.

RethinkingLife · 05/04/2024 10:34

Chersfrozenface · 05/04/2024 10:20

It WAS a fashion to have weasels (or mink) as pets.

Are you sure that's not ferrets? Same family, domesticated animals, probably descended from European polecats.

I remember people having pet ferrets as a popular rat deterrent.

I used to walk past a bus stop where there was a young man, wearing a black leather jacket, who would have a ferret about his person. The ferret would move up and down the sleeves or curl round his neck inside the jacket. It made a difference from people giving white rats the run of their person.

SerendipityJane · 05/04/2024 10:29

It’s an offence to disclose a person’s transgender status if you are in possession of that information in a professional capacity (eg as their healthcare professional or their employer).

What if you are "in possession" of the knowledge because you happened to go to school with "Chloe" when they were "Colin" and lighting their farts in the playground ?

Chersfrozenface · 05/04/2024 10:20

It WAS a fashion to have weasels (or mink) as pets.

Are you sure that's not ferrets? Same family, domesticated animals, probably descended from European polecats.

turbonerd · 05/04/2024 09:46

NImumconfused · 04/04/2024 20:57

Suspect it was more likely to have mink? They're really vicious little things.

It was probably mink.
Now I have to Google the difference between weasel and mink!

It WAS a fashion to have weasels (or mink) as pets. I Wonder why that stopped?

Wolverine is a mustelid. Whaddaya know!

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
LoobiJee · 04/04/2024 23:02

enchantedsquirrelwood · 04/04/2024 18:24

An employment lawyer told me yesterday that if someone has a GRC it IS a crime to misgender or deadname them.

I realised that she is completely captured. I hope she is a little less biased when she advises clients though.

Did you ask her to reference the legislation which makes it a criminal offence?

There are three potential bases on which it could be improper (that I can think of):

  • It’s an offence to disclose a person’s transgender status if you are in possession of that information in a professional capacity (eg as their healthcare professional or their employer).
  • In the case of a spent conviction under a previous name it could be a breach to disclose it.
  • If workplace harassment of an individual took the form of misgendering.

But that does not mean that any and all ‘misgendering’ is a criminal offence.

Also I’m not sure she’s correct that an individual would have to be in possession of a GRC to benefit from those legal protections.

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 21:20

Obama's favourite sweets were Fran's Caramels made with Pure Sea Salt Smoked Over Welsh Oak from Anglesey.
https://www.halenmon.com/friends-across-the-pond/

AFAIK, culinary salt is only produced on Anglesey, in Maldon, Essex, and in Cornwall.

SerendipityJane · 04/04/2024 21:17

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 21:15

I've seen a ferret being taken around a local minimart on a lead by a young person. Does that count?

There must be a Disney song in this ...

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 21:15

They are very small. And also very long. They would totally fit down your trousers.

Snowypeaks · 04/04/2024 21:15

I've seen a ferret being taken around a local minimart on a lead by a young person. Does that count?

SerendipityJane · 04/04/2024 21:12

I would suggest you haven't lived until you have seen a ferret on a lead being walked past your caravan by a teenager.

I did hear tell on the wireless a few years back that having lost the saddling trade, crafty Walsallians have cornered the world market in leather ferret gear. (It was local front page news when it turned out Obamas favourite candy was topped with Black Country salt ...)

DialSquare · 04/04/2024 21:00

My favourite weasel card

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
NImumconfused · 04/04/2024 20:57

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 20:51

Looks like the tail is longer in the stoat!
And I’m shocked at the size of those ferrets.

Was it weasel that was farmed not far from my house for fur some decades ago I wonder? It was mayhem when some activists released them all and the poor animals proceeded to wipe out much of our Bird population. It’s taken this long for some of them to recover.

I realise I’m terrible for derailing threads. I do apologize.

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Suspect it was more likely to have mink? They're really vicious little things.

turbonerd · 04/04/2024 20:51

Looks like the tail is longer in the stoat!
And I’m shocked at the size of those ferrets.

Was it weasel that was farmed not far from my house for fur some decades ago I wonder? It was mayhem when some activists released them all and the poor animals proceeded to wipe out much of our Bird population. It’s taken this long for some of them to recover.

I realise I’m terrible for derailing threads. I do apologize.

Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime
Stonewall states that “misgendering” isn’t a crime