Is this the most 'woke' headline ever? "How climate change is hitting vulnerable Indonesian trans sex workers"

Yes, it seems like many of the issues would equally apply to sex workers who are women, or male but not trans, or even people in some other occupations altogether.

I would also say that some of the things they are attributing to climate change may be a bit of a stretch. I am finding it difficult to believe that there is a really a significantly differernt number of wet days, for example, to the point where prostitution would become much more onerous.

That headline offers so much food for thought:
"How climate change is hitting vulnerable Indonesian trans sex workers"

For instance, the term 'sex workers'. What it really means is people, almost entirely female people, who cater for the sexual relief needs of almost 100% male people, in exchange for money.

All those workers really are vulnerable. It's possible that male sex workers who identify as women but who also cater for male clientele are more vulnerable, perhaps because of acts by that very clientele and not just by the society (here Indonesia) in general?

Then there's the question if it would have been better to extend the analysis to all Indonesian sex workers, to find out if the ones who are not trans are faring any better. In other words, is it being in the sex industry or being trans or a combination of both which matters here? And what are the relative numbers of climate change sufferers in various income classes and industries in Indonesia? And are men and women suffering equally, more generally?

I don’t think anyone really wants to try and change the mind of yet another woman on the feminist board trying to claim what is racism and what isn’t.

Can you actually express some of the key points in your own words?
I apprecaites all the links, but I'd like a person to clearly state a few key points.

I'll try and have a go myself on your behalf as an example.
You might argue that in cites different parts of the city are associated with different levels of wealth/poverty/household income. That seems a reasonable assumption to me. You might then make try to make the logical step that the higher wealth areas have more and higher quality parks and nature based facilities. I don't know if this is true, but it seems possible.
Can you see how this works?

Can I just remind you my questions.
Is there racial disparity in access to nature?
If yes, is that disparity due to racist or non racist factors? e.g. I would say living in a city where you have to travel a significant distance to get to nature is not a racist factor.
Is there racial disparity in how people are treated when they are accessing nature?
What could be done to improve things?

"Google it" is not an argument.
"The matter is settled" is not an argument, it's an attempt to avoid any debate.
Posting a bunch of links is access to supporting evidence thank you, but it's not an argument. I also wonder how much of those links you've read yourself? Or did you see the titles and think that looks good, I'll link that?
I'm looking for you to describe to me through logical statments in your own words what you meant when you mentioned race and access to nature.
If you can't make an argument of your own, then I will have to draw my own conclusions from your lack of argument.

None of those articles are talking about racism.

Disparities are not the same thing at all.

I don't get why you think I'm an expert! How about actually reading the research articles and reports in the pdfs? As I said, I can't link to them.

It is the most weirdly specific headline in a UK newspaper ever.

I don't think it's "woke".

Having skimmed through the web pages you link to, there is plenty of superficial fluff. The key takeaways are that there are too many white people in the countryside and not enough people that look like the subjects (with the unspoken assumption here that the subject would prefer that there were more people like her there), that people should smile more, that urban parks have a reputation for being dominated by white people, and that non-Western dress isn't suitable for a walk on the Dales.

Perhaps you can explain where racism has led to these outcomes (other than the racism expressed by the subjects themselves) as @lechiffre55 has asked.

https://nhsforest.org/news/new-report-explores-inequality-in-access-to-urban-nature/

Decades ago someone wrote the headline ’Sex-change surgeon in mercy dash to palace corgis’ as having something for every kind of reader. I’m pretty sure it was a spoof though.

Wow! That headline ticks every WokeBox I can think of.

It's not a "culture war" but something that people have been aware of and fighting since John Clare's despair at the enclosure acts.

https://www.cpre.org.uk/stories/the-invisible-barriers-that-hold-people-back-from-enjoying-the-countryside/

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/culture-and-community/culture-and-heritage/visits-to-the-natural-environment/latest/

https://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/publication/4729021765255168#:~:text=This%20briefing%20highlights%20that%20the,'fitting%20in'%2C%20and%20the

https://ww3.rics.org/uk/en/journals/land-journal/why-access-to-nature-is-a-social-justice-issue-.html

https://www.groundwork.org.uk/news-report-finds-severe-inequalities-in-access-to-parks-and-greenspaces-in-communities-across-the-uk/

The problem is, most available info is on PDF files and I don't know how to copy and paste those. There are lots of detailed research and policy documents.

The Black Environmental Network will probably have links to research that might answer some of your questions:

https://ben-network.org.uk/

(There's also a Women's Environmental Network if you're interested.)

I thought I was being more helpful by trying out search terms then giving you the exact search that brought up a range of detailed research articles and policy documents rather than just random stuff.

I am supposed to remember the details for my work (in environment/nature), but brain fog, Easter holidays and exhaustion means I don't. Sorry.

Did they? Could you remind me what the answer was please?

They did answer though?

@lechiffre55

Yeah, I suppose it's no surprise.

I feel like even if they did post a link to some actual "research" is would be the usual warmed-over guff anyway. Then we'd just have to waste time picking it apart!

I'd sooner not make access to the countryside a culture war issue like these others are attempting, it's the height of cringe.

Were you surprised by that answer? I wasn't.
Its always the bloody same. Google it, I don't have the time.
NEVER able to just put out a few key points. It's almost like they don't have a clue what they are talking about.
That's the problem with no debate, it leaves its proponents unable to rationally discuss anything.
Utter joke.

Are you suggesting that white people who live in cities don't lack access to nature? Or just that it doesn't matter?

No not at all. I was pointing out that racism could be a factor. Most Black people are not "newcomers" to the UK. The Windrush was about 80 years ago...

The black people being born in the UK are great grandchildren of immigrants. I'm not sure why you would see them as "newcomers".

Are you suggesting that white people who live in cities don't lack access to nature? Or just that it doesn't matter?

The main reasons that in the UK more ethnic minorities live in cities is the same reasons because that pattern follows through in almost all countries. Relative newcomers tend to settle in cities for a few reasons. This has been the case for centuries and typically has to do with trade and how people move. Peasants, the people on the land, are typically not newcomers.

The other, more recent element is that rural areas in developed countries have been losing population to cities for decades.The same forces that keep rural residents moving to cities tend to keep most people from moving to the country - there are few jobs there. Economic activity is mainly found in cities. And it can be hard for incomers in small rural communities socially too.

This is true in places like Asia and Africa too, except it's not the same people who are ethnic minorities. But if you go look at, say, European, or Jewish, or Asian newcomers in west Africa, you tend to find them in towns and cities, rather than rurally.

None of that is about racism, it's about how populations disperse.