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Woman's hour 2nd April 2024 JKR's 'hate' thread

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WarriorN · 02/04/2024 10:08

First item is the Hate bill and JK's tweets - they did invite her on but haven't heard back yet

For women Scotland will be on too.

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Waitwhat23 · 03/04/2024 12:53

You do wonder why the Government would bother to state that new buildings must provide single sex facilities if there hadn't been stated concerns?

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-building-requirements-for-separate-male-and-female-toilets#:~:text=separate%20single%2Dsex%20toilets%20facilities,allows%20only%20a%20single%20toilet

And again, single sex toilets. The presence of a male makes it a mixed sex toilet, despite fairytale magic legal fictions.

JanesLittleGirl · 03/04/2024 12:47

Kucinghitam · 03/04/2024 12:43

This copious stuff that's dripping from Bollock-Juggling-Comedian's posts - is it contempt, or is it something more like, um, milt? 🤮

I believe that the technical expression is goat wank.

Kucinghitam · 03/04/2024 12:43

This copious stuff that's dripping from Bollock-Juggling-Comedian's posts - is it contempt, or is it something more like, um, milt? 🤮

duc748 · 03/04/2024 12:38

The system we had for the last hundred years or so worked tolerably well.

Choochuw · 03/04/2024 12:37

maltravers · 03/04/2024 12:22

Hi @DadJoke is Isla Bryson a woman in your view and should IB be in women’s loos and women’s prisons?

Can we all just keep asking this till he actually replies?

Bare in mind Bryson only found his 'true self' once waiting to be sentenced for rape. His ex wife, who he battered and raped said he never mentioned anything about his 'ladyness' in his life prior to waiting to be sentenced.

So is this rapist a woman @DadJoke ?

And once released you think he should be able to change and urinate next to girls?

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 12:35

You might not like it, you might want to end it, but trans women have to legal right to be in women's toilets..

There is no statistical evidence whatsoever that this has any impact on women.

But I am all ears. How would you police chromosome-based toilets? If you think men pretending to be women is an issue) how would you prevent men pretending to be trans men using the facilities? How would you stop GNC women from being targetted by gender critical activists?

Let's here a coherent policy which addresses gender critical peoples' "legitimate concerns."

CorruptedCauldron · 03/04/2024 12:33

I think it’s clear our mirthful patriarch believes that we can’t exclude any bad actors. So, rapists and perverts who identify as women cannot be excluded from women’s spaces as that would be unfair to the nice, law-abiding transwomen. No gatekeeping allowed as that would not be kind. This means our mirthful patriarch believes women must accept the risk of becoming collateral damage. Women should budge up, shut up, allow male people into their spaces and keep their fingers crossed that nothing untoward ever happens. On what planet is that okay? Or kind?

Women who object to males in their single-sex spaces are not hateful bigots. Some of them are survivors of male sexual violence. Some of them will have to self-exclude if female facilities become mixed sex, meaning there’s nowhere else for them to go. Why doesn’t the mirthful patriarch and his fellow TRAs extend a little more kindness and consideration towards women? Is it because women are…. um…. not as important as men?

Lovelyview · 03/04/2024 12:27

Kucinghitam · 03/04/2024 12:01

It's a shame that in engaging with Bollock-Juggling-Comedian, we are helping him to vigorously polish his knob halo, because he's a one-person peaking machine. The contempt for the privacy, dignity and safety of the partially-sentient support bipeds, with particular disgust for the service units that refuse to comply, shines through in every post. And looking at the recent feverish frequency of posting, is also clearly demonstrating the escalation that characterises, um, [mostly-male-associated-fixations].

I agree. The more @DadJoke posts his piss poor defence of allowing men into female spaces, the more determined I become to go out and challenge anyone who has such a disdain for women's rights, such unacknowledged internalised misogyny, such disregard for the effect of men in women's spaces, sports, political life (UN UK's women's delegate anyone?). Keep going @DadJoke

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/04/2024 12:25

RufustheFactualReindeer · 03/04/2024 12:13

Has the word designated changed its meaning?

lots of other words have and its hard to keep up

how is the female toilets a designated toilet for males? Is it written down somewhere?

I think my favourite version of this is when they talk about people using toilets which match their gender identity.

If this were true, there would be 72 different types of toilets, not two. Perhaps the men's would be painted a nice dark blue and have beer fountains and flat screens broadcasting Sky Sports mounted on the walls, along with padded and heated toilets seats for maximum comfort whilst taking 45 minute dumps, whereas the women's would be painted a lovely pastel pink and have mini bottles of Prosecco, lipstick testers and voucher coupons for clothes shops. I will avoid speculating on what the other 70 might look like for fear of being accused of indulging in harmful stereotypes about gender diverse people.

Instead, there are only two types of toilets, both typically painted in the same colour, one with urinals on the walls and the other with sanitary bins in the cubicles. Almost as if one were designed for people with penises and the other for people with uteruses.

WickedSerious · 03/04/2024 12:22

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 10:10

And women’s toilets are not designated places for gender critical women - trans women have a right to be there. You just don’t want them to be.

Men have no right to be there,unless they're washing the floor.

maltravers · 03/04/2024 12:22

Hi @DadJoke is Isla Bryson a woman in your view and should IB be in women’s loos and women’s prisons?

Choochuw · 03/04/2024 12:16

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 11:18

And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.

Yes they are. The ones that have an outline of a man on the front of the door.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 03/04/2024 12:13

Has the word designated changed its meaning?

lots of other words have and its hard to keep up

how is the female toilets a designated toilet for males? Is it written down somewhere?

Lion400 · 03/04/2024 12:07

Kucinghitam · 03/04/2024 12:01

It's a shame that in engaging with Bollock-Juggling-Comedian, we are helping him to vigorously polish his knob halo, because he's a one-person peaking machine. The contempt for the privacy, dignity and safety of the partially-sentient support bipeds, with particular disgust for the service units that refuse to comply, shines through in every post. And looking at the recent feverish frequency of posting, is also clearly demonstrating the escalation that characterises, um, [mostly-male-associated-fixations].

Bollock-Juggling-Comedian….. vigorously polish[ing] his knob halo, because he's a one-person peaking machine

😂😂

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/04/2024 12:05

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 12:01

Do you dispute that trans women have been using women's toilets for decades? Do you think they are doing so illegally?

I recommend you take a look at AEA vs EHRC, where gender critical arguments to this effect were dismissed.

"Trans women have been trampling over women's boundaries for decades" isn't quite the argument I'd have gone with, to be honest with you.

Women were never asked if we were OK with our single sex spaces being made mixed sex, and we certainly never consented to it.

Do you understand that "trans women are entitled to be in all women's single sex spaces" means "we cannot object to people like Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski in women's spaces"?

Yes or no?

You keep avoiding this question.

Kucinghitam · 03/04/2024 12:01

It's a shame that in engaging with Bollock-Juggling-Comedian, we are helping him to vigorously polish his knob halo, because he's a one-person peaking machine. The contempt for the privacy, dignity and safety of the partially-sentient support bipeds, with particular disgust for the service units that refuse to comply, shines through in every post. And looking at the recent feverish frequency of posting, is also clearly demonstrating the escalation that characterises, um, [mostly-male-associated-fixations].

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 12:01

GailBlancheViola · 03/04/2024 11:24

And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.

No, they are not as has been explained to you ad nauseum.

Who is doing this designating? You?

Do you dispute that trans women have been using women's toilets for decades? Do you think they are doing so illegally?

I recommend you take a look at AEA vs EHRC, where gender critical arguments to this effect were dismissed.

Lion400 · 03/04/2024 11:43

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 11:18

And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.

‘And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.’

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Go away

GailBlancheViola · 03/04/2024 11:24

And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.

No, they are not as has been explained to you ad nauseum.

Who is doing this designating? You?

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 11:20

JanesLittleGirl · 03/04/2024 10:47

Morning DadJoke. Would you like a cup of tea dear?

That's very kind, thank you. I have one in hand.

DadJoke · 03/04/2024 11:18

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 11:04

Exactly.

No MEN.

We are, however, happy to accept transmen - because they are WOMEN.

And yet, women's toilets are a designated place for trans women, regardless of your gender critical beliefs.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 11:07

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 10:32

It wouldn't do it with male, so apologies for the mail lyrics.

Version 1

https://app.suno.ai/song/01fda943-2b67-465b-b82e-8f63ce296cdf

Version 2

https://app.suno.ai/song/088ca38c-9f9f-4b88-ae8d-d45efbbef8dc

Particularly like the second one!

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Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 11:04

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 10:26

I'll tell you what women's toilets aren't a designated place for

MEN

It's men I don't want in women only spaces regardless of how they think of themselves.

Exactly.

No MEN.

We are, however, happy to accept transmen - because they are WOMEN.

Emotionalsupportviper · 03/04/2024 10:59

RebelliousCow · 02/04/2024 21:00

Gender identity is not a protected characteristic - and the law does not permit even those men with a GRC to use women's facilities. The misunderstanding that it does has arisen because of lack of clarity and intention in the original drafting of the law, which was written for an entirely different contingent of transsexuals, and in a very different set of circumstances.

The misunderstanding that it does has arisen because of lack of clarity and intention in the original drafting of the law, which was written for an entirely different contingent of transsexuals, and in a very different set of circumstances.

AND - because Stonewall has widely pushed an intentional misinterpretation of the law to the degree that the lie has, to many people, become the truth.

A lot of people have been led to believe that gender identity is a protected characteristic, and that a GRC makes a man for ALL intents and purposes, a woman, with all the rights and protections of a woman.

Neither of these is true.

Gender identity is NOT protected.

A GRC is a "legal fiction" which prevent the owner from being discriminated against because of his/her preferred lifestyle. It doesn't confer an automatic right to invade spaces where women are vulnerable. The safety, privacy and dignity of women is protected by the law* - or would be if it were properly applied and enforced.

Capture of organisations, including the police and the NHS has enabled this hideous travesty we have now.

*Though it would benefit from a legal definition of both sexes, based on biological fact.

Waitwhat23 · 03/04/2024 10:56

Boiledbeetle · 03/04/2024 10:32

It wouldn't do it with male, so apologies for the mail lyrics.

Version 1

https://app.suno.ai/song/01fda943-2b67-465b-b82e-8f63ce296cdf

Version 2

https://app.suno.ai/song/088ca38c-9f9f-4b88-ae8d-d45efbbef8dc

Love it! The second one is my favourite.

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