Woman's hour 2nd April 2024 JKR's 'hate' thread

Yes, I was interested to see “insulting” being left off, since it’s a lower bar.

Imagine suggesting that male offenders shouldn’t be in female prisons. The cheek of that JKR!

Mr Academic also said that the speech needs to be threatening and abusive. That's not what the Act says, it says "communicates to another person material that a reasonable person would consider to be threatening, abusive or insulting".

If you're going to hold yourself up as a legal expert, you're best knowing your topic in depth.

She didn't just say "trans women are men."

She created a list of trans women who had either committed crimes or indulged in behaviour she didn't like. Of course, she didn't actually come out and say what she was implying about the entire group. That would be too on the nose even for her. She was suggesting that these trans women should not be protected - should be excepted from hate crime legislation - and by inference, that no transgender people should. You can do exactly the same thing with disabled people, gay people and black people.

That's what "It never happens threads" are for and it's why white nationalists publish lists of black criminals. Why do you think white nationalists do this?

As Susan from FWS put it, they’re promising “jam tomorrow”. In the interim, why aren’t women protected under this supposedly important hate bill today? It’s almost like (1) women are seen as lesser beings, and (2) there is a conflict between giving into the TRAs and protecting women. As we have been pointing out for years.

And how are the police assessing whether the complainant has felt fear or alarm or not?

She didn't make a list of people who had committed crimes. Did you read it or have you done an IW here?

Over on Radio 5 Live there's a Glasgow academic downplaying people's worries about the new law and when asked whether JKR had broken it he couldn't really give an answer. He said the test is: has she caused an individual to feel fear and alarm?

Good luck Mr Academic with assuming that trans activists are going to be prudent in their offence-taking.

Hello India, is that you? Not everyone she mentioned has committed a crime. They are all examples of how allowing people who were born male to identify as women harms women who were born female though.

I can't wait to see how they define women and misogyny in their new misogyny bill.

But she wasn't implying that all Transwomen are sex offenders or cheeky fuckers etc. She was saying categorically that ALL transwomen are MEN.
And it's not "hate" to say so.

Wilful misinterpretation of what JKR actually said from @DadJoke - that is not remotely what she is saying, and you know it. (or if you don't, then perhaps you should read it again more carefully)

Naga Munchetty is now discussing JKR and the Scottish hate speech law on Radio 5 Live. This appears to be catching.

Pretty impossible to police within the police force itself, as we know.

Male people (however they identify) are responsible for over 80% of violent crime and 98% of sexual crime.

Male people (however they identify) aren't a vulnerable minority.

Pointing out that sex matters is a safeguarding issue. Protecting women and children is hardly 'stirring up hatred'.

Men aren't a minority group though?

JKR, Helen Joyce, Tatchell and IW on her final programme please!

Making lists of people with a protected charateristics who have committed crimes and inferring collective guilt to the entire group is a time-honoured technique used by people who want to stir up hatred against minority groups. Implying they are a danger to women and children is the icing on the cake. In every case, they imply that this time it's different, this time, the statistics they've cobbled together are correct, and those other people who've done the same thing with other protected groups are wrong.

If JKR was using this approach for black people, or gay people, all of you (I hope) would be up in arms against it. But no, this is your pet hate group, so you support it..

I don't agree with the bill as it stands, but it hasn't instilled in me the need to attack a minority group, or shame the entire group by naming criminals and others within that protected group whose behaviour I don't like.

I have no doubt JKR will not be arrested or charged. The bar for prosecution is pretty high, and she is untouchable.

EB said she has just six episodes of WH left. That sounded like an RSVP to me!

EB now has only 6 episodes of WH left.

Don't worry, the SNP propose to police it shortly.

The Misogyny Bill is imminent.

It truly is. And the activists know this which is why certain individuals spend a lot of time going after certain people and inevitably getting nowhere, they know they've no case but they want to punish miss x for whatever reason so tie her up in legal costs and processes for months/years.

And now they get to do it anonymously and frequently!

What could possibly go wrong?