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Scottish Conversion Ban Consultation closes tomorrow - GMN/FWS templates available

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DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 09:37

Morning Mumsnet,

Hope you'll forgive a gay man interloping on your site, but I wanted to draw some attention to the Scottish Conversion Practices Public Consultation, it closes tomorrow and the proposed legislation has grave implications particularly for (mostly same sex attracted and/or autistic spectrum) girls at gender clinics who now make up the majority of patients. This proposed legislation specifically protects ideological medicine (at draft section 118, see para 26 of the the GMN response), but it exposes Cass compliant exploratory therapy to the risk of prosecution, worse still it poses substantial and clear risks to day to day parenting with a wide definition of "coercion" and "suppress".

Please feel free to use any of the GMN or FWS material as assists, the GMN response is fairly substantial, the FWS guide is designed as a more streamlined quick reference guide.

Consultation closes midnight tomorrow, April 2nd

https://www.gaymensnetwork.com/letters-and-responses

https://forwomen.scot/30/03/2024/ending-conversion-practices-consultation-guidance/

Letters, Responses & Press — GAY MEN'S NETWORK

https://www.gaymensnetwork.com/letters-and-responses

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littlbrowndog · 01/04/2024 22:40

Is it 40 mins to do it ?

Lanore · 01/04/2024 22:38

Wow. Thanks for your work on this and for bringing this to our attention @DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter

We appreciate you!

JanesLittleGirl · 01/04/2024 22:13

40 minutes while drinking wine and maintaining a vague conversation with DH.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 21:38

... and I'm saving to do tomorrow. Obviously only the thrill of a looming deadline pushes me through these things.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 21:20

Okay, I'll time it to see how long it takes. Using FWS notes to help.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 20:03

I'm gearing up to another consultation filling-in ...

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DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 18:19

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 18:17

'In a nutshell this proposal does not define its key terms, provides scant evidence of conversion practices, and embeds the concept of “gender identity” into law – for all of us, not just those who consider themselves transgender. It could see parents jailed for seven years if they try to persuade their child not to change gender, or deny access to puberty halting drugs.'

Precisely this

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ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 18:17

'In a nutshell this proposal does not define its key terms, provides scant evidence of conversion practices, and embeds the concept of “gender identity” into law – for all of us, not just those who consider themselves transgender. It could see parents jailed for seven years if they try to persuade their child not to change gender, or deny access to puberty halting drugs.'

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DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 17:54

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/04/2024 17:52

And thanks @DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter for linking up the guidance. I wouldn't have made it all the way through without the explanations and pointers.

Not at all, many thanks to you for taking the time to respond!

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/04/2024 17:52

And thanks @DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter for linking up the guidance. I wouldn't have made it all the way through without the explanations and pointers.

334bu · 01/04/2024 17:49

Just finished.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/04/2024 17:47

Job done - phew!

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 17:46

Ah, thanks, Dennis, I was hoping there was some guidance somewhere.

The usual quangos are stacking the deck with responses, so it's really important people with varying views comment if they can.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/04/2024 14:58

Most of the way through. And so far resisted the temptation to simply type "Are you on glue?" in any of the boxes.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 01/04/2024 13:28

Very welcome here @DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter and thankyou for the reminder. Us mums of boys and young men need a safe way forward for our children too. The conversion therapy bill stands in the way by making it too dangerous for therapists to ask challenging questions or do anything but affirm.

And thanks for the podcasts too.Flowers

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Anonymousthoughtcriminal · 01/04/2024 10:02

DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 10:01

Nothing in the consultation suggests it's limited to Scottish residents so my view is go for it :)

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Thanks I'll give it a try.

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DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 10:01

Anonymousthoughtcriminal · 01/04/2024 09:54

You are more than welcome here as far as I'm concerned.
Do we have to be in Scotland or can anyone contribute?

Nothing in the consultation suggests it's limited to Scottish residents so my view is go for it :)

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Anonymousthoughtcriminal · 01/04/2024 09:54

You are more than welcome here as far as I'm concerned.
Do we have to be in Scotland or can anyone contribute?