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Scottish Conversion Ban Consultation closes tomorrow - GMN/FWS templates available

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DennisNoelKavanaghOffTwitter · 01/04/2024 09:37

Morning Mumsnet,

Hope you'll forgive a gay man interloping on your site, but I wanted to draw some attention to the Scottish Conversion Practices Public Consultation, it closes tomorrow and the proposed legislation has grave implications particularly for (mostly same sex attracted and/or autistic spectrum) girls at gender clinics who now make up the majority of patients. This proposed legislation specifically protects ideological medicine (at draft section 118, see para 26 of the the GMN response), but it exposes Cass compliant exploratory therapy to the risk of prosecution, worse still it poses substantial and clear risks to day to day parenting with a wide definition of "coercion" and "suppress".

Please feel free to use any of the GMN or FWS material as assists, the GMN response is fairly substantial, the FWS guide is designed as a more streamlined quick reference guide.

Consultation closes midnight tomorrow, April 2nd

https://www.gaymensnetwork.com/letters-and-responses

https://forwomen.scot/30/03/2024/ending-conversion-practices-consultation-guidance/

Letters, Responses & Press — GAY MEN'S NETWORK

https://www.gaymensnetwork.com/letters-and-responses

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ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 19:25

I'd just say that you had techincal problems and ask to submit by email.

ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 19:25

Contact

Email: [email protected]

ArabellaScott · 03/04/2024 19:24

ShoveandHoney · 03/04/2024 00:04

Site just kept crashing - admittedly I left it till the last minute but I’d read through the guidance and prepared my answers but didn’t get a chance to fill it out till 11.45 and it just didn’t work - I did the first answer and then it took 5 minutes to move on to the next question - I answered that and it stuck for another 5 minutes and then it just said ‘503 Service not available’.

Great 😠

You could perhaps email and ask to submit by email, if it didn't take your form? They do accept other forms of response.

ShoveandHoney · 03/04/2024 00:04

Site just kept crashing - admittedly I left it till the last minute but I’d read through the guidance and prepared my answers but didn’t get a chance to fill it out till 11.45 and it just didn’t work - I did the first answer and then it took 5 minutes to move on to the next question - I answered that and it stuck for another 5 minutes and then it just said ‘503 Service not available’.

Great 😠

BetsyM00 · 02/04/2024 23:23

Closes at midnight. If anyone still wants to fill it out quickly it is just fine to tick the boxes for 'Do not support' or 'Do not agree' to the relevant questions. Questions 1–10, 17 and 20 are the most important ones.

Tick the boxes, fill in your details and submit. You don't have to be in Scotland and it all matters for counting up the opposition.

Keeprejoining · 02/04/2024 23:19

I got a 506 page not found as I submitted but I got an email to say they'd received it

Keeprejoining · 02/04/2024 23:18

I'm done, it was very biased and I told them.

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 23:06

I'M DONE.

What an utter shitshow.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/04/2024 22:59

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 22:54

aaaaaaaaaaaaargh it's slowing to a stop

I'm betting that you are regretting a tendency to procrastination. Don't worry. Just fight through. You will get there. I'm pitching for you.

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 22:54

aaaaaaaaaaaaargh it's slowing to a stop

2Rebecca · 02/04/2024 22:32

Really slow site but job done

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 22:30

Site is sloooooooooooooooooooooooow.

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 22:29

Grinding through it.

WitchyWitcherson · 02/04/2024 20:18

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 18:18

Thanks, Witchy. I am girding my loins.

😂

It was quite a time consuming consultation! I didn't complete a couple of the questions as it was a race against time before DD got home! But submitted and made my views pretty damn clear

littlbrowndog · 02/04/2024 18:54

Finished. 🍻🍻🍻🍻

littlbrowndog · 02/04/2024 18:30

The site has just gone down 🤦‍♀️

littlbrowndog · 02/04/2024 18:21

You can have 2 tabs open and copy and paste. I don’t know how Scottish government expect ordinary people to fill this in

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 18:18

Thanks, Witchy. I am girding my loins.

WitchyWitcherson · 02/04/2024 17:35

I think the evaluation section is an important one to fill in too. Here's what I wrote:

"I believe the wording of this consultation shows a bias towards gender ideology and does not present a balanced view. The conflating of homosexual conversion therapy and gender "conversion therapy" (i.e. where it may be explored whether a person "is" the opposite gender - something that actually heavily relies on harmful sexual stereotypes AND as far as I'm concerned is a form of homosexual conversion therapy in itself) is incredibly offensive and waters down the negative impact that homosexual conversion therapy has on individuals."

ArabellaScott · 02/04/2024 17:25

I've got LGBA guidance here, too!

https://lgballiance.org.uk/our-response-to-ending-conversion-practices-in-scotland-consultation/

WitchyWitcherson · 02/04/2024 16:49

The site's really slow for me too!

I'm not using guidance as I always worry about answers coming across as too generic (I analyse public consultations as part of my job and 'stock responses', even if they're slightly tweaked, are often counted as a 'campaign' and therefore have less weight).

terryleather · 02/04/2024 16:45

I've just completed this with the help of the FWS guidance - think the site must have heavy traffic (last day) as it was incredibly slow for me.

2Rebecca · 02/04/2024 16:28

A reminder that today is the last day to do this. It's worth doing even if you just tick the "yes" "no" boxes and don't write an explanation of your reasons.

JanesLittleGirl · 01/04/2024 22:45

littlbrowndog · 01/04/2024 22:40

Is it 40 mins to do it ?

That is the time it took me. I responded simply and intuitively and didn't agonise over getting the best response.

Keeprejoining · 01/04/2024 22:41

Thanks I'm in England and will do this

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