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Justin Webb R4 today

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Davros · 01/04/2024 08:24

I just turned it on and he's giving some defender of the Scottish hate crime bill a hard time

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Rainbowshit · 01/04/2024 13:46

They don't have parliamentary privilege at Holyrood, however they do have some protections against defamation. I'm not sure racism would be covered though. 🤔

Justin Webb R4 today
FrancescaContini · 01/04/2024 13:45

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/04/2024 11:21

Yousouf made a speech in which he listed high up positions in Scotland and for each he said that the person holding the position is White. I haven’t heard the whole speech for context, but in the section with the “white” rhetoric I can understand people thinking he sounded prejudiced against white people.

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I guess he didn’t mention his own position as First Minister when making this speech because he would have contradicted himself 🤦‍♀️

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 13:43

Rightsraptor · 01/04/2024 13:05

Was Humza Y in Holyrood when he made his 'white' speech and, if so, was he covered by parliamentary privilege?

It was a speech in the Scottish parliament, yep.

FrancescaContini · 01/04/2024 13:42

illinivich · 01/04/2024 10:12

We dont know what tatchell is imagining when talking about women, or even female.

And why was he wheeled out to speak against the new Act when they could have chosen one of several million Scottish women who are directly affected by the absence of “biological sex” in the Act? (rhetorical question, I know)

Rightsraptor · 01/04/2024 13:05

Was Humza Y in Holyrood when he made his 'white' speech and, if so, was he covered by parliamentary privilege?

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 12:28

PronounssheRa · 01/04/2024 12:12

If something happens and you are not sure if it is a crime, please remember, if it feels wrong, report it and let us help.

This is why vexatious compliants can not be tackled, the police have told people to report anything that 'feels' wrong. There is no way to establish vexatious motivation

Yep. I have read all the guidance and see absolutely nothing about vexatious or malicious reports.

MidsomerMurmurs · 01/04/2024 12:14

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 11:26

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3047549/Yousaf-says-high-position-power-occupied-white-people.html

The most offensive part of Useless’ speech is that he identifies everyone as “Wight”, and I presume he means they all come from an island off the south coast of England. Very bizarre and hate-filled.

PronounssheRa · 01/04/2024 12:12

If something happens and you are not sure if it is a crime, please remember, if it feels wrong, report it and let us help.

This is why vexatious compliants can not be tackled, the police have told people to report anything that 'feels' wrong. There is no way to establish vexatious motivation

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 11:54

Cailin66 · 01/04/2024 11:32

So can I complain about him? I'm not in Scotland, but the 'racially' motivated comment was committed in Scotland ............

And I'm white, so I can be insulted, I don't actually care, 'coz I can't be bothered about nonsense, but it's still insulting all the same.

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Found the relevant part of the police guidance:

· Incidents on social media where the original reporter resides in another part of the UK but believes the suspect to reside in Scotland: Send details of the incident to the home force to note a statement and conduct appropriate enquiries. If the enquiries identify the crime occurred in Scotland, only then will it be sent back to Scotland.

https://www.scotland.police.uk/access-to-information/policies-and-procedures/guidance-documents/guidance-documents-g-i/

Guidance Documents G-I - Police Scotland

Guidance Documents G-I

https://www.scotland.police.uk/access-to-information/policies-and-procedures/guidance-documents/guidance-documents-g-i

lanadelgrey · 01/04/2024 11:50

while v good that JW concentrated on women, another point not made was about Edinburgh fringe where comedians often sail v close to the edge. Lots of opportunities for offence to be registered as hate and thus damage a huge money making international event

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 11:41

Sorry, wrong link.

'It’s important to report hate crime whether you are affected personally, or if you witness someone else being targeted. For example, you could be a friend, neighbour, family member, support worker or a passer-by.
You should tell the police if you think it happened because of disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity. It may even be a combination of these things. This is important as it tells us that it could be a hate crime.
If something happens and you are not sure if it is a crime, please remember, if it feels wrong, report it and let us help.'

https://www.scotland.police.uk/contact-us/reporting-hate-crime/?platform=hootsuite

Reporting hate crime - Police Scotland

How you can report hate crime if you've been targeted and information about third party reporting centres.

https://www.scotland.police.uk/contact-us/reporting-hate-crime?platform=hootsuite

Cailin66 · 01/04/2024 11:32

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 11:27

For context, 95.4% of Scottish people record their ethnicity as 'white'.

So can I complain about him? I'm not in Scotland, but the 'racially' motivated comment was committed in Scotland ............

And I'm white, so I can be insulted, I don't actually care, 'coz I can't be bothered about nonsense, but it's still insulting all the same.

Villagetoraiseachild · 01/04/2024 11:31

HoneyButterPopcorn · 01/04/2024 10:03

Was wondering if women’s hour would bother. No it’s country singing.

Indeed, @HoneyButterPopcorn Women's Hour fiddling while Rome burns.
Not bovvering.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2024 11:27

For context, 95.4% of Scottish people record their ethnicity as 'white'.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/04/2024 11:21

Cailin66 · 01/04/2024 11:12

What is the White speech?

Yousouf made a speech in which he listed high up positions in Scotland and for each he said that the person holding the position is White. I haven’t heard the whole speech for context, but in the section with the “white” rhetoric I can understand people thinking he sounded prejudiced against white people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/04/2024 11:20

I think he said there were too many white people or something.

Cailin66 · 01/04/2024 11:12

What is the White speech?

illinivich · 01/04/2024 10:12

We dont know what tatchell is imagining when talking about women, or even female.

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Davros · 01/04/2024 10:11

Bruisername · 01/04/2024 09:52

What time, roughly, was it?

About 8.20am, maybe a little earlier

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NotBadConsidering · 01/04/2024 10:08

Tatchell likes to freely speak about certain topics, that’s for sure.

He also likes to ingratiate himself to people occasionally to gloss over his, er, shall we say, less savoury opinions.

Crankywiddershins · 01/04/2024 10:06

Runor · 01/04/2024 08:29

Surprised to hear Peter Tatchell offered up to criticise the Act. Good questioning from Justin Webb of the Scottish Gov rep
Q “why weren’t women included?”
A “we needed to do more work”
Q “but you didn’t need to do more work did you?”

Why weren’t women included? Baffling!

Budge up everyone, the ferret is reversing!

Teddleshon · 01/04/2024 10:03

Love Justin Webb. As an aside I would really recommend his book “The Gift of a radio “. It’s a really touching, funny and engaging read. He had a difficult childhood.