Disciplinary action for ONS female employees if they object to trans colleagues using their lavatories

@LoobiJee

I remember the good old days of The Workplace (Health, Safety & Welfare) Regulations 1992 - when everyone knew the definition of ‘men’ and ‘women’ and it didn’t include males demanding access to women’s spaces.

Let's hope none of your children tell you they are trans. What happens, do you turn against them, disown them, kick them out. I'll leave you to your narrow minded thought process.

Well done for exposing your prejudices. If you have come on FWR in good faith you would have taken time to read threads and find out some of the issues and concerns that posters have.

And you would have found there have been endless threads from mothers desperate for support in relationship to one of their children wanting to transition.

And you would have known, and educated yourself about how heartbreaking and tiring this can be.

But also know that some who struggle to support but not affirm their child/ren will later come back and say that after some rough pages their child/ren have escaped the false narrative that transitioning will resolve their in fact fairly typical teen worries and fears about moving into adulthood.

And as said by a PP, you portray your bias by using the descriptively sloppy but coercive rainbow soup heading that was dreampt up by Stonewall to just get more streams of funding.

There is absolutely NOTHING in common between people who are same sex attracted, ie a physical reality, with people who have "ideneties" or are so tormented by "gender norms" that they think they cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. The biggest conversion therapy campaign against lesbians, gays and bisexuals is the trans community.

I have a friend at the ONS who said that the IWD splash on their internal pages one year had more articles from biological males than females. Not surprised.

That is really depressing to hear. ie 7 years ago.

The threads on here about the ONS now seem to have been on the "kind" side ie thinking they had only recently come under pressure.

But sounds like they were captured maybe as much as a decade ago for it to be established in 2017.

And also depressing to know that up until now staff haven't felt able to speak out.

It's almost like there needs to be an annonymous helpline, particularly for Government and NHS employees to report where they have illegally been denied the right to the gender critical / sex based rights (beliefs).

Its almost beginning to look like the proposal to ammend the GRA going out for consultation was the biggest wake up bell and as important letting isolated individuals know they are not alone.

Wtf is happening

Section 20 of the Workplace (Health, Safety & Welfare) Regulations 1992.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1992/3004/regulation/20/made#:~:text=20.%20—%20%281%29%20Suitable%20and%20sufficient%20sanitary%20conveniences,rooms%20containing%20them%20are%20adequately%20ventilated%20and%20lit%3B
20.—(1) Suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences shall be provided at readily accessible places. (2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), sanitary conveniences shall not be suitable unless—
(a)the rooms containing them are adequately ventilated and lit;

(b)they and the rooms containing them are kept in a clean and orderly condition; and

(c)separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.
(3) It shall be sufficient compliance with the requirement in paragraph (1) to provide sufficient sanitary conveniences in a workplace which is not a new workplace, a modification, an extension or a conversion and which, immediately before this regulation came into force in respect of it, was subject to the provisions of the Factories Act 1961, if sanitary conveniences are provided in accordance with the provisions of Part II of Schedule 1.

@Mog65 - please provide evidence of this transwoman who was raped more than 200 times in men's jail.

This Alison Pritchard:

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/05/11/alison-pritchard-tra-behind-the-scenes-part-one-geo/

Yes, Alison Pritchard

In April 2017 they changed it from 59 to 74; AFAI can remember their justification was that it was upsetting for older women to talk about the assault. There was a discussion about it on this board but I cant find it (it might have been within another thread.)

What on earth was their justification for that??

@Mog65 please stop throwing this crap under one big happy LGBTWTF rainbow umbrella. As a lesbian I say not in my name.

Isn’t there a TW very high up in the ONS?

ONS should stick to facts and statistics. We've been waiting two years (and counting) for the current given names data and they're farting around with this fantasy. Time well spent...

Hopefully a certain poster is educating himself scrolling through all the articles supporting single sex toilets, trying to find an article that says the opposite.

Yes. H & S regs as well as building regs.

I don't think there's a citation big enough.

Is this even fucking legal?!

I am pretty sure it isn't. I think there are statutory regulations about toilets at work. Before we even get to Forstater.

And again thanks for continuing to post because it really is enlightening.

You seem to ignore the needs of women and girls in all this. Your total focus is on male people and their issues. Your knowledge of LGBTQ+ is irrelevant really. You are on a feminism board.

So, because of a horrific incident where a vulnerable male person was raped instead of the prison system putting that male in a vulnerable prisoner section, you what? Believe that female people should be used as a protective shield to male people ?

Your points lack relevance and you have again shown you lack the knowledge and the understanding. Your equally as ignorant and quite hyperbolic ‘Let's hope none of your children tell you they are trans. What happens, do you turn against them, disown them, kick them out. ’ is another common tactic. It also shows that you really have no fucking idea because there are people on this board who interact with children who have declared trans identities on a daily basis.

Thanks again. Your ignorance and prejudice is outstanding and I doubt you have shown what you think you have shown. Again. Jolly well done.

Mog65

Men's prisons are violent places. Rape and other violent assaults are very common. Vulnerable prisoners are accommodated separately - 90% of trans prisoners are held in men's prisons without incident.

It's great that you are so passionate about the safety of one particular class of male prisoner in men's prisons. This thread is about women being forced to use changing rooms or toilets with men. Do you have any thoughts on that subject?

How does that work if she has the right to the reasonable belief that transwomen are men?!!

Is this even fucking legal?!

At least one pupil gets raped inside school premises each school day in this country (2015/6 statistics, discussed in Parliament). Mixed sex facilities are going to make this statistic worse. Of course, these are only the ones reported.

I don’t know the statistics for strokes, heart attacks, self-harm etc but I do know lots of people are found dead in public toilets, especially those that are fully enclosed because they can be there for some time unseen.

Fully enclosed toilets (like disabled toilets) are places disabled and able bodied women get trapped into and assaulted. Google will show you multiple recent reports.

As a mum and a teacher, I do have an idea. You have absolutely none.

Because disabled people don't count. There are other threads discussing this as I type

Interestingly, the ONS had to back down a few years ago over their policy of putting an upper age limit on rape statistics.
Hopefully they can be made to follow existing equality laws this time as well.