Spanish self ID

Nah, Mishy just admitted some transwomen are “at it” to use Humza’s inimitable prose. No clues about how to determine which ones Mishy is referring to though…

Well, once the concept of being trans becomes so wide and undefined how can anyone be accused of fraud? If there’s no criteria who can say someone isn’t genuine, because genuine is utterly meaningless.

This is exactly what Mishy and Dad and all the others have pushed for. No criteria, no questions.

What I found astonishing was that apparently Stella didn’t know much about the transmaxxers. It makes me question her knowledge about her specialty anew.

There's quite an interesting "gender a wider lens" podcast this week. Sascha Bailey discusses the concept of "transmaxxing". For these men there is no emotional "feeling" of being a woman but rather they are incentivised to transition for practical purposes. Apparently this is rife in tech.

This makes me think the days of "trans" being connected to a concept of gender identity or deeply held sense of being a certain gender are long gone.

Nah... Mish will just ignore anything that doesn't fit their narrative. They'll pop up again on another thread to chastise us for safeguarding vulnerable people or treating people with integrity. Mish has never given any indication that they have any sense of cognitive dissonance, nor any shame in their total commitment to men's rights activism at any cost.

I think we can assume Mishy will be having a name change after that 😂

@MishyJDI is suggesting that men who say they are women should be prosecuted. Isn't that hate speech?

Reported for transphobia. If you say you're trans then you're trans. #nodebate

One of the many paradoxes of being trans, Wallace.

"It's not a medical condition, but we demand access to medical treatment for it"

"It's got nothing to do with our bodies, it's our souls/ feelings/ inner identity*, but our bodies can't share spaces with people with similar bodies. It has to be with people with different bodies"

"Yes - we are on average considerably bigger, faster and stronger, but that doesn't give us any physical advantages in sport"

"We can keep our penises because they are lady penises, but we can't be expected to have sex with another transwoman with a penis because seeing one is triggering. We need lesbians to have sex with because that's what we are. And they should like our penises because they are lady penises".

You doubtless get the drift.

*delete as required

Curiously, Mishy’s not been back to explain - amazing 🙄

It's interesting that he says

'Trans people need to be recognised for the identity we feel'

Why? Why is external validation needed if you truly feel it yourself?

Bet his kids love this 🤦‍♀️

Thanks @RebelliousCow that is reassuring. I would love to see some of the more idiotic pro-Trans legislation being withdrawn (well, I would love to see pretty much all of it being withdrawn but every little helps)

The Spanish vote for Self ID was very fruaght and by no means a straightforward win. The Left itself was torn and divided on the issue, and the conservatives ,should they have won the election ( they did actually get most of the recent votes, but not enough to form a government) vowed to immeditaely repeal the act. Spain is certainly one to watch to see how this is likely to unravel everywhere else.

I think what you mean is whenever a trans identifying person behaves badly what it means is that they're "not really trans" -because as soon as you genuinely believe you are trans you Transmute into a divine and perfect being; a being that no longer aligns with the rest of humanity, or with human nature itself. Trans means Transcendent. It means that TW no longer carry or display any typical male behaviour or share in any typical male traits.

Trans or fraud?

https://x.com/anyabike/status/1774352582565138575?s=20

But the only requirement is to sign a declaration saying they wish to change gender. By that token no fraud has been committed.

Which is exactly why self id with no gate keeping is a disaster

I think it is rather eye opening actually what is happening in Spain and how women are getting the message out. Do you remember there was still some posters posting that there were no issues what so ever in countries with self ID? Well, what has happened in Spain since self ID shows those claims to be absolute bullshit.

Considering we have a system that is almost self ID here now, I think the Uk and the world is watching very closely.

There seems to be a lot of gender "fraud" happening in Spain atm doesn't there? There was another story that Glinner tweeted about recently. A bunch of men who have created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN) being sued by the Spanish equivalent of Stonewall because they aren't really "trans". This must be a serious case of be careful what you wish for and surely must put to bed the argument that nobody would ever go to the trouble of IDing as trans when they don't have a very special identity.

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

Still no response from Mishy about how you would go about proving fraud in a system of self-ID

But I'm confused. Surely this rule, the offending rule, would mean at the very least there would be no 'frauds' in prison since offending means fraud. But male-pattern offending, then transitioning, then demanding a place in a female prison is a thing, right? And this is typically supported.

So confused.

Also Mishy’s comment about “shooting trans people” is only there so they can trot off and claim Mumsnetters are discussing it. When in fact no one has EVER suggested it except for the dishonest TRA wanting to stir the pot.

Though consequences that were pointed out repeatedly before the Act was passed.

The poor women incarcerated with them. Horrifying to see it play out, despite all of the warnings feminists have been making for years.