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St. John's Ambulance and pronouns.

68 replies

Imnobody4 · 28/03/2024 12:34

Surely this is illegal.

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1773278681286283498?t=SnCzWxajwU_7aBbspQ_2Ww&s=19

Wow.

Internal job applicants at @stjohnambulance are asked to share their pronouns.

If they refuse, text pops up chastising them and pressuring them to “reconsider”.

If they still refuse, they are told to explain why they won’t share them.

This is ideological harassment

https://twitter.com/JamesEsses/status/1773278681286283498?s=19&t=SnCzWxajwU_7aBbspQ_2Ww

OP posts:
Gullsoaring · 28/03/2024 14:09

DadJoke · 28/03/2024 14:00

Everyone is referred to in the third person. You can base yours on your sex.

In all the job interviews I have done in my decades of work, no-one has ever referred to me by my pronouns.

Furthermore, this information, that refers to your protected characteristics, should not be linked to your job/ volunteer application (except in specific circumstances) as it can lead to candidates being discriminated against, such as for being female. So they really shouldn't be asking for pronouns at this stage so that they 'know how to refer to you.'

Furthermore, I have never seen a form asking me to explain why I don't want to state, say, my ethnicity or sexuality. Its highly inappropriate for them to ask this. This information is for equality monitoring purposes only.

And finally, we all know this creates a hostile environment for people with GC views, especially the ' why not' question. Asking for pronouns is not a neutral act, its a political one.

FisksSpareSuit · 28/03/2024 14:06

Can you put I me mine?

literalviolence · 28/03/2024 14:03

Changing pronouns from sex based to something which expresses an identity is putting people in boxes. There is no gender which matches my individual identity. I'm not a conformist. So my pronouns would have to be literal/literals which does rather feel like taking the piss. But I can't say they're she/her because that makes it looks like I identify as a woman and with regressive stereotypes and I don't.

DadJoke · 28/03/2024 14:00

Everyone is referred to in the third person. You can base yours on your sex.

Delphinium20 · 28/03/2024 13:59

yetanotherusernameAgain · 28/03/2024 13:44

No need to get our knickers in a twist. The obvious answer is I/me/my.

Oh dear, you've forgotten mine/myself

Gullsoaring · 28/03/2024 13:53

I love the way that, when using the ' this is Jo, she is a volunteer..' . They weren't brave enough to use the example, ' this is Dave, she is a volunteer...'

Gullsoaring · 28/03/2024 13:50

TWETMIRF · 28/03/2024 13:21

It's amazing how diversity pushes seem to only ever be aimed at one characteristic. There is no diversity in diversity

I love this! There is no diversity in diversity really sums it up!

Justcallmebebes · 28/03/2024 13:47

I work in corporate law and my firm have drunk the cool aid and then some. We've had a notification today reminding us 31 March is Trans Awareness Day and encouraging us (for the umpteenth time) to share our pronouns in solidarity and to show alliance

I am v v obviously female with an obviously female name, but v tempted to change mine to he/him but not sure even this obvious piss take would get the fuckers off our backs

yetanotherusernameAgain · 28/03/2024 13:44

No need to get our knickers in a twist. The obvious answer is I/me/my.

Isthisreasonable · 28/03/2024 13:26

Rightsraptor · 28/03/2024 13:10

'Pronouns are something everyone has'.

I disagree.

I no more have my pronouns than I have my adjectives.

If I had them, I'd see myself as glamorous, intelligent, charming and witty. Should others be obliged to use these words about me? If not, why not?

I'm told St John Ambulance also expect volunteers to 'share their pronouns'. They wouldn't be seeing me again if I volunteered with them.

Definitely this!

TWETMIRF · 28/03/2024 13:21

It's amazing how diversity pushes seem to only ever be aimed at one characteristic. There is no diversity in diversity

UltraLiteLife · 28/03/2024 13:20

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/03/2024 13:05

Somewhere on the trustee board or in the leadership team will be a TRA pushing this.

There will be someone looking to gain Stonewall ally points for personal reasons and to burnish the CV.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2024 13:15

Frankly, I don't care what words people use about me when I'm not present (and usually don't care even when I am - I'm past that shite). We rarely hear our "own" pronouns and anyone can use any they like (I suspect "bitch" may be among them).

As somebody once said - "What other people think of you is none of your business."

Rightsraptor · 28/03/2024 13:10

'Pronouns are something everyone has'.

I disagree.

I no more have my pronouns than I have my adjectives.

If I had them, I'd see myself as glamorous, intelligent, charming and witty. Should others be obliged to use these words about me? If not, why not?

I'm told St John Ambulance also expect volunteers to 'share their pronouns'. They wouldn't be seeing me again if I volunteered with them.

popebishop · 28/03/2024 13:07

"Pronouns are something that everybody has" isn't exactly true, is it?

I would be happy to choose mine if they could give a clear explanation of what they will assume them to mean and whether choosing one is active confirmation that I have a gender identity.

I don't understand why so many people refuse to be clear and honest about this.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/03/2024 13:05

Somewhere on the trustee board or in the leadership team will be a TRA pushing this.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/03/2024 13:00

You are right. It is.

It is an attempt to compel action, speech and thought, and is shameful!