Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?

And yet that is the reality of what this utter shitshow has created. Brilliant way to turn swathes of the population against transpeople.

NHCI should be yeeted into the sun.

They are NOT criminal offences.

sorry, anyone in Scotlan is offended by I meant to say.

Do they have to actually be Scottish? Or resident in Scotland. Or do you have to just be in Scotland when you hear the words that you think are hateful?

In which case i've got a meeting in Glasgow in May so I might report one of my neighbours facebook posts because she's a cow and I can't stand her.

A non-criminal hate crime recorded against you (not sure how this works in Scotland) is not shown on a DBS or advanced DBS search.

So personally I couldn't give a toss if someone reports me - I will not be compelled into lying. I'm on team Science and Truth 😉

who/where is it to be recorded? Do the Scottish Police Forces have a central database large enough to recrod details of any sm post, from anywhere in the world, that anyone is offended by? they maust have a huge team of Database Admins? And do they have a centralised one across all forces? And a huge tem of people to handle the constant FOI requests?

I think I might just put note in my calender to remind me to do an annual FOI request to whatever this centralised scottish authority is going to be asking them to send me any hate crimes they currently have recorded under my name and evidence that they havent got any, if not. Plus a a request for evidence to show that anything hey have got recorded about me is held in a GDPr compliant manner.

I'm not sure they have thought through the implications of this properly in term sof data sprawl and management overhead.

I'm voting for a JKR TwiX post at 0.01 on 1st April testing it out!

I think it does matter - yes. It is a poorly drafted law, allows the state to overreach, and potentially curtails freedom of speech and expression, as the law states that public performances of theatre etc can be considered. As someone who studied Russian and communism, and sees what little freedoms the Chinese and Russians have today, this amount of state intervention and power scares me.

I need an enhanced DBS for work because I work with vulnerable children and adults, including many autistic individuals - safeguarding is of paramount importance and professionals need to be able to speak out. Will this stop people doing so?

That's bonkers.

I saw on Dennis Kavanagh's TwiX account a comment saying that the SNP have criminalised the entire space time continuum!

I do see what you mean but I think it's unacceptable. It's such a slippery slope.

I have to get a DBS and then I won’t even know if a hate incident has been committed by me ? Would it prevent me getting a DBS?

The very people who really should be empowered to speak up, for the sake of safeguarding children and vulnerable people, are the very ones silenced.

It is awful.

But I'm heartened by women willing to take one for the team. Thanks.

I’m not bothered personally but I’m furious that people are being put on this position. I think this is going to end very badly for the SG and Police and I look forward to seeing the first test cases coming about which will show the ‘legislation’ to be completely unworkable.

Even if you're not bothered about your own police record, do you not see it as a problem that anyone in a job which requires a DBS is forced to toe the party line? So teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers, anyone wanting to volunteer to help at their child's football club? Do you really not care about a society where everyone in those professions is prevented from sharing a particular belief, so that those holding those beliefs are less likely to choose those professions?

I think that it's an absolute disgrace and is going to end badly for the police.
I'm self employed,so no DBS or employer to worry about. In all likelihood I'd never know if one was issued against me,but the thought of being listed by the police as hateful,purely for believing in science and biology is like something out of a dystopian nightmare.

OK, that's reassuring. I think. I thought that, say, the electoral roll or the passport office had lists of names and addresses that the police could access? And I suppose it would depend on if the person reporting me knew where I lived, worked etc.

This is as yet hypothetical in my case.

Could signing a petition be recorded as a non crime gate incident.

Although retired I have done the following in the recent past and may do so again. All required a DBS. The first four involved children so this was enhanced and would show NCHIs if recorded.
*worked in a school on a very part time basis
*run a local club which expanded to also offer juniors meetings/events
*been a respite foster carers for children with disability
*been a trustee of a national charity
*applied for a personal license (to run events for charitable purposes)
I never needed a DBS pre-retirement, but do need it now.

You might know that your name is unique but the police don't. They don't have an omniscient knowledge of everyone in the UK. So if someone alleges that Adiaohte Beioshto committed a crime, the police aren't going to immediately say "Aha! That will be the uniquely-named Adiaohte Beioshto who was born on 1/1/2000 and who lives at 1 Railway Sidings."

If the allegation is serious enough they will take steps to try to identify the person. Which will be easier if you have an unusual name. But they won't 'know' who the person is just from a name. And if they don't investigate and identify a specific individual, then they can't log anything against that specific individual.

I can be unaffected and unaware of it, but it still matters!

Yeah, this. I really would rather we didn't have a society where something could be recorded with the police as an incident' based on something you said that someone perceived as hateful.

Not to mention that you can inform on people through a network of ‘third-party reporting centres’.

'first they came for the socialists' and all that. It's a matter of principle.

It all sounds like something you'd read about that was going on beyond the Iron Curtain and thank the Lord you didn't live there.

Would it show up on a DBS check?

If so, I think it's grossly unfair not to have the chance to defend yourself in court.

If not, then I'm not sure what it's for. Who can find out if you've got one?

I have a unique name unfortunately (very rare surname and unusual first name, no one has ever had this combo). So I couldn't fall back on the Jane Doe thing mentioned above