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Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?

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WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2024 14:05

For some people it will mean absolutely nothing. Especially older people with no intention of applying for a job.

What does is really matter? They don't tell you so it's not going to worry you. There's no crime so you haven't broken the law. There's no fine, prosecution or imprisonment.

It's a non crime.

Personally I don't mind if it's recorded somewhere that I did not commit a crime.

Obviously people in work who need a clear DBS will be frightened into submission by this law but there must also be lots of us who aren't?

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SinnerBoy · 26/03/2024 10:28

Hagpie · Today 09:59

There are no arguments to be bad when you don’t know the difference between sex and gender. We simply can’t discuss this until you’re ready and have done a bit of reading.

Good grief! Have you actually read any posts at all, on FWR? Every poster on this thread and the wider board knows exactly what the difference is.

And from Lucy's post, I can't understand how you even came to that conclusion, it's simply nonsensical.

SinnerBoy · 26/03/2024 10:25

HipTightOnions · Yesterday 22:25

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Yes, that struck me, too. I wonder how the poster would feel, if the Tories brought in something similar, but operating opposite to the Scottish one and they ended up on a list?

ChishiyaBat · 26/03/2024 10:25

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:59

There are no arguments to be bad when you don’t know the difference between sex and gender. We simply can’t discuss this until you’re ready and have done a bit of reading.

It’s also very draining speaking to people like you. I am not going to try and convince BNP members that I am a person worthy of respect ; I do not always have it in me to convince you these are people and the language you use is awful and roughly the same used to describe gay men in the 80s. Sexual pervert, corrupting kids blah blah blah. I’m not even trans!

Sometimes people get the message by education and lessons in basic decency and sometimes “the moon is made of cheese/vaccines cause autism/5G causes cancer” crowd can be assumed beyond savings and laughed at.

What do you mean the difference between sex and gender? Sex is male or female, it's non negotiable, no one can change sex! Gender is a social construct, or a made up load of old bollocks in my opinion.
What's the BNP got to do with anything?
I also find the gay bashing of the 80s hateful and vile, but that has no bearing on what is being discussed here.
Well you just described yourself perfectly in that last sentence. Beyond help, laughed at and ridiculed, that's just charming!

WickedSerious · 26/03/2024 10:23

DialSquare · 26/03/2024 10:12

I quite like the idea of being on a list.

But in the theme of Groucho Marks, would you really want to be on a list that has you on it?!!

Would it be exclusionary of me to say that I wouldn't?

moderate · 26/03/2024 10:19

Hagpie · 25/03/2024 18:40

I don’t make hateful comments or indeed say anything targeting vulnerable groups so I think 99.9% of people will be fine.

Who cares if some retiree wants to be racist or spend the last of their deluded days rattling off against “men” in dresses to their carers? A police officer who might be called in to take a report for a trans person facing DV though? Unacceptable.

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list. It’s a tricky one.

Also without reading the thread how do I know this isn’t you guys doing BLM stuff or holding the govt. to account over ableism? Pathetic.

“First they came for the people standing against misogyny and homophobia

and I did not stand up because I lacked the wit to understand the misogyny and homophobia.”

DialSquare · 26/03/2024 10:12

I quite like the idea of being on a list.

But in the theme of Groucho Marks, would you really want to be on a list that has you on it?!!

GrumpyPanda · 26/03/2024 10:07

WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2024 15:05

What does it matter if you never did anything criminal but the police kept records of you regardless, on the basis that someone phoned them to tell them and tell on you? Is that a serious question?

Well, that's what I'm pondering. In practice, to some people, it really does not matter, they will not be affected and may not even know about it.

Well I'm of the generation that fought for data protection laws, so hell yes it matters. Did the British media ever cover the Swiss secret services misconduct in the 90s? Turned out they'd been keeping files on a significant chunk of the population, including many MPs. The file on one female parliamentarian included such gems as "likes to have a beer at night." So.... harmless, surely?

WickedSerious · 26/03/2024 10:05

HipTightOnions · 25/03/2024 22:25

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Fucking hell.

I quite like the idea of being on a list.

I wonder if they'll warn delivery drivers about me???

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:59

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/03/2024 09:43

Ah yes, it's always the way that we raise concerns that's the issue, isn't it, and not the concerns themselves.

There is another thread running on here about a man using a women's changing room with a semi-naked child (unrelated to him) present, and some posters are complaining that the woman who told staff about this was too shouty. Remember, Ladies, you must always be docile and feminine when protecting a child from a sex offender.

When you know you haven't got a leg to stand on, your only recourse is to complain about how the other side does things. You can't engage with our actual arguments, because you know you'll lose.

There are no arguments to be bad when you don’t know the difference between sex and gender. We simply can’t discuss this until you’re ready and have done a bit of reading.

It’s also very draining speaking to people like you. I am not going to try and convince BNP members that I am a person worthy of respect ; I do not always have it in me to convince you these are people and the language you use is awful and roughly the same used to describe gay men in the 80s. Sexual pervert, corrupting kids blah blah blah. I’m not even trans!

Sometimes people get the message by education and lessons in basic decency and sometimes “the moon is made of cheese/vaccines cause autism/5G causes cancer” crowd can be assumed beyond savings and laughed at.

EasternStandard · 26/03/2024 09:55

Froodwithatowel · 26/03/2024 09:37

There you go folks.

If you mention anything from the daily mail you deserve to be taken away by the Gestapo, and posters here would support living in a society that behaves like this.

Reading some of these posts is incredible. It really is comparable to the period you mention.

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:54

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:53

Mocking hate is fair game and I think (read:hope dearly) that you know that.

Can you actually answer the question I asked.

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:53

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:46

What if you quote it but disagree with the words it printed? Or is it just referring to it as an entity that is worth of a death camp?

Mocking hate is fair game and I think (read:hope dearly) that you know that.

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:46

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:36

If you use anything out of the Daily Heil then really you have got whatever coming to you. It is a cancer.

What if you quote it but disagree with the words it printed? Or is it just referring to it as an entity that is worth of a death camp?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/03/2024 09:43

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:36

If you use anything out of the Daily Heil then really you have got whatever coming to you. It is a cancer.

Ah yes, it's always the way that we raise concerns that's the issue, isn't it, and not the concerns themselves.

There is another thread running on here about a man using a women's changing room with a semi-naked child (unrelated to him) present, and some posters are complaining that the woman who told staff about this was too shouty. Remember, Ladies, you must always be docile and feminine when protecting a child from a sex offender.

When you know you haven't got a leg to stand on, your only recourse is to complain about how the other side does things. You can't engage with our actual arguments, because you know you'll lose.

Froodwithatowel · 26/03/2024 09:37

There you go folks.

If you mention anything from the daily mail you deserve to be taken away by the Gestapo, and posters here would support living in a society that behaves like this.

Hagpie · 26/03/2024 09:36

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:12

A Scottish MSP had one, for quoting a Daily Mail article.

I mean, wake the fuck up. Not wanting kids sterilised and mutilated is not a hate crime. It is the very opposite.

If you use anything out of the Daily Heil then really you have got whatever coming to you. It is a cancer.

SerafinasGoose · 26/03/2024 09:32

It's happening in the UK anyway. And people who appear on this 'black list' are not given the courtesy of being informed of the fact. Sarah Phillimore only discovered it when the person who reported her (always non-threatening, in no way criminal) Twitter posts to the police, then used the same public platform to crow over her.

A police black list of people who have never been charged, tried or convicted of any crime is the stuff of dystopian nightmares, straight out of Stalinist Russia. Yes, I care. I care extremely. And the idea that this likely won't affect specific individuals who are not in the jobs market, etc., is, I'm afraid, naive.

It's the thin end of a very dangerous wedge. This sort of thing is exactly how it starts.

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:16

GlomOfNit · 25/03/2024 18:37

I'll admit to not having done my homework on this utterly unworkable nuttery, but what's this about not even having to live in Scotland for it to affect you?? Does that mean that non-residents can be guilty of the CRIME if committed in Scotland (as I suppose would be the case with any crime) or that mischief-makers can somehow report 'crimes' committed over the border?? Please elucidate!

Across the world.

The Australians just issued X/Twitter with a 'take down' notice to take one tweet from a Canadian down, otherwise they will be fined around 750,000 Australian dollars. One tweet.

AlisonDonut · 26/03/2024 09:12

Hagpie · 25/03/2024 18:40

I don’t make hateful comments or indeed say anything targeting vulnerable groups so I think 99.9% of people will be fine.

Who cares if some retiree wants to be racist or spend the last of their deluded days rattling off against “men” in dresses to their carers? A police officer who might be called in to take a report for a trans person facing DV though? Unacceptable.

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list. It’s a tricky one.

Also without reading the thread how do I know this isn’t you guys doing BLM stuff or holding the govt. to account over ableism? Pathetic.

A Scottish MSP had one, for quoting a Daily Mail article.

I mean, wake the fuck up. Not wanting kids sterilised and mutilated is not a hate crime. It is the very opposite.

Froodwithatowel · 26/03/2024 08:14

This thread was reminding me of the privileged women who can say 'I don't care about men in a changing room or toilet because it doesn't affect or bother me' with the subtext of (and I don't care therefore about any other women or the ethics and issues).

But then I saw this: I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

And thought there are the lazy, complacent and selfish, and then there are the mad and the fucking scary to stay as far away from as possible and hope to God you don't have one as a neighbour or a colleague.

HipTightOnions · 25/03/2024 22:25

I am very worried about extension of government powers but yes a lot of you should be on a list.

Fucking hell.

Ofcourseshecan · 25/03/2024 21:45

AIstolemylunch · 25/03/2024 16:31

sorry, anyone in Scotlan is offended by I meant to say.

Do they have to actually be Scottish? Or resident in Scotland. Or do you have to just be in Scotland when you hear the words that you think are hateful?

In which case i've got a meeting in Glasgow in May so I might report one of my neighbours facebook posts because she's a cow and I can't stand her.

😂

mumda · 25/03/2024 21:30

WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2024 14:48

A lot of perceived 'hate incidents' will become criminal offences in Scotland from 1/4/24, including tweets and other social media posts.

I'm not sure they will. Are they going to arrest, charge and prosecute people?

If it goes to court you are allowed to submit a defence. With these non crimes you are not allowed any defence, it just gets recorded.

It's easier than chasing shop lifters.

Keeprejoining · 25/03/2024 21:21

I would very much care if I had one of these against my name. I'm retired and I do however volunteer

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 25/03/2024 21:17

EasternStandard · 25/03/2024 20:29

Who knows

I wonder how long it will take for there to be a test case

About 0.0001 seconds, at the rate things are going on Twitter/X.