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Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?

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WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2024 14:05

For some people it will mean absolutely nothing. Especially older people with no intention of applying for a job.

What does is really matter? They don't tell you so it's not going to worry you. There's no crime so you haven't broken the law. There's no fine, prosecution or imprisonment.

It's a non crime.

Personally I don't mind if it's recorded somewhere that I did not commit a crime.

Obviously people in work who need a clear DBS will be frightened into submission by this law but there must also be lots of us who aren't?

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Chersfrozenface · 05/04/2024 12:23

This is the advice from Neale Harvey MP

"Write to Police Scotland along the following lines...

"I am writing to formally initiate a GDPR Subject Access Request (SAR) with Police Scotland to establish what data the force holds on me, and whether a ‘non-crime hate incident’ record is being held against my name without my knowledge.”

If you know the email address of a local senior officer you can contact them directly. The other option is to use the contact form there https://scotland.police.uk/secureforms/contact/…, or tweet them/DM them.

They have 30 days to respond. If they don’t you can escalate the matter to the Information Commissioner’s office using their online form.

https://itspublicknowledge.info/contact-us"

Stressed22 · 05/04/2024 12:09

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 18:41

Also, if a person were to have an ‘incident’ on their record that doesn’t amount to a crime, then I wonder if it could lead to legal challenge.

They would have to know about it to challenge it.

Are those against whose names NCHIs are recorded told of this automatically, or do they not find out unless and until the submit a Subject Access Request?

I’ve looked into this a bit further, and haven’t been able to find anything concrete. I found a link to the website below, and if this applies to Scotland, it would seem that people can submit an SAR to the DBS, but it may not provide a full record. However, it would appear that a person can request a basic disclosure for personal reasons, for a fee. It’s unclear if a basic disclosure would provide information on NCHIs or not. I wonder if the DBS could clarify their policy on this new law, taking into account Data Protection law, through an FOI request?

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Finding out about your criminal record - Subject Access Requests and General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) - Unlock

On the 25th May 2018, the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) come into effect, changing the way that personal data is protected. Your right to request information about your personal data will remain relatively unchanged. However, the previous f...

https://unlock.org.uk/finding-out-about-your-criminal-record-subject-access-requests-and-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 05/04/2024 11:34

Stressed22 · 05/04/2024 10:02

I think Jonathan Pie sums it up quite nicely.

That is brilliant.

NoWordForFluffy · 05/04/2024 10:18

Stressed22 · 05/04/2024 10:02

I think Jonathan Pie sums it up quite nicely.

I reckon he does! 😁

mach2 · 05/04/2024 06:52

UltraLiteLife · 04/04/2024 22:12

Havel's greengrocer.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?reply=112695991

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Many thanks - very interesting.

RhannionKPSS · 04/04/2024 23:06

She certainly is and good on her!!! She is wonderful!

littlbrowndog · 04/04/2024 22:44

She’s on a roll tonight

Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?
UltraLiteLife · 04/04/2024 22:12

mach2 · 04/04/2024 21:41

I've been wondering what exactly is the point of NCHI's. I think that they are intended to get people used to the idea of snitching on each other and reduce mutual trust.

If they can do that, as well as make us deny the evidence of our own eyes and senses for fear of punishment than they will have succeeded in turning the country into a totalitarian state.

Havel's greengrocer.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?reply=112695991

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mach2 · 04/04/2024 21:41

I've been wondering what exactly is the point of NCHI's. I think that they are intended to get people used to the idea of snitching on each other and reduce mutual trust.

If they can do that, as well as make us deny the evidence of our own eyes and senses for fear of punishment than they will have succeeded in turning the country into a totalitarian state.

mach2 · 04/04/2024 19:00

Whoever thought up NCHIs is a shit-eating scumbag, as is anyone who makes use of them. All complicit in turning this place but by bit into East Germany.

The police should only be concerned with palpable harms, not hurt feelings. Scotplod are already cutting down on investigating actual crime to concentrate on this sinister crap.

Chersfrozenface · 04/04/2024 18:41

Also, if a person were to have an ‘incident’ on their record that doesn’t amount to a crime, then I wonder if it could lead to legal challenge.

They would have to know about it to challenge it.

Are those against whose names NCHIs are recorded told of this automatically, or do they not find out unless and until the submit a Subject Access Request?

Stressed22 · 04/04/2024 18:22

mumda · 04/04/2024 11:05

I suspect three and you win a trip in a white car with blue flashing lights.

Whilst I take things as a tiny win (Thanks JKR) I am too cynical to think that a new front isn't being opened up.

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I’m afraid I share your cynicism. Though, I truly wonder how Scotland intend to enforce this law. I feel it will likely be unworkable given limited resources within the police. Also, if a person were to have an ‘incident’ on their record that doesn’t amount to a crime, then I wonder if it could lead to legal challenge. This will be interesting to watch.

SinnerBoy · 04/04/2024 14:26

WallaceinAnderland · Today 13:25

It's extra sinister that anyone can report you, even anonymously, the Police can record a hate incident against you and yet no-one has to tell you about it.

It is indeed, surely everyone has the right to know the details of a criminal allegation, who has made it and to be able to challenge it in court?

MarkWithaC · 04/04/2024 14:11

WallaceinAnderland · 04/04/2024 13:25

It's extra sinister that anyone can report you, even anonymously, the Police can record a hate incident against you and yet no-one has to tell you about it. The more I think about it, the more I think it can't be legal and if it is challenged in court, it will fail.

It is real Stasi stuff, isn't it?

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WallaceinAnderland · 04/04/2024 13:25

It's extra sinister that anyone can report you, even anonymously, the Police can record a hate incident against you and yet no-one has to tell you about it. The more I think about it, the more I think it can't be legal and if it is challenged in court, it will fail.

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mumda · 04/04/2024 11:05

Stressed22 · 04/04/2024 07:53

It seems rather odd that a person who had not committed an actual crime should somehow have an ‘incident’ on their record. It could affect a lot of people’s employment which, if a crime has not been committed, is just plain wrong.

I suspect three and you win a trip in a white car with blue flashing lights.

Whilst I take things as a tiny win (Thanks JKR) I am too cynical to think that a new front isn't being opened up.

Stressed22 · 04/04/2024 07:53

It seems rather odd that a person who had not committed an actual crime should somehow have an ‘incident’ on their record. It could affect a lot of people’s employment which, if a crime has not been committed, is just plain wrong.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2024 12:24

I stole it from my dh, @SinnerBoy!

SinnerBoy · 01/04/2024 23:07

Raging ineptoctacy.

LIKE

littlbrowndog · 01/04/2024 21:59

Catsanfan · 01/04/2024 20:08

Possible daft question, but it asks addresses, times, DOB etc. How are you getting around that?

You don’t have to put all that stuff in. At end of form they will say red entries that you have to fill in. I did 2 today

ChishiyaBat · 01/04/2024 21:42

Is this picture a hate crime?

Does anyone else not care if a 'hate incident' is recorded against them?
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/04/2024 21:34

How many of us would have to simultaneously commit a ‘hate incident’ to completely overwhelm the police, I wonder?

And it is a hate crime to describe the Scottish government as a raging ineptocracy who couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery?

SirChenjins · 01/04/2024 21:29

Catsanfan · 01/04/2024 20:08

Possible daft question, but it asks addresses, times, DOB etc. How are you getting around that?

I reported it for myself rather than for someone else so it doesn’t ask for address, dob etc - and then just put the time/date of the tweet

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WallaceinAnderland · 01/04/2024 20:28

Or in the case of IW I put Northumbria Police have IW's details 😂

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