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Motherhood is a trap. Marriage is a bad deal. Feminist Corinne Maier on learning to be selfish

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2024 00:29

The French feminist provocateur’s ‘indecent’ insistence that women should prioritise themselves is jubilantly liberating

#MeFirst! A Manifesto For Female Selfishness has managed to work up even the famously laissez-faire French, with critics branding it “indecent” and “a mockery of devoted mothers”, and commenders heralding it “liberating” and “jubilatory”.

Maier is telling women to be “negligent, casual and lazy”, to “minimise the time you devote to others” – including “elderly family members” – to give up “trying to maximise your child’s potential” and “escape the role your mothers were trapped into playing”.

In #MeFirst!, she questions why, despite having worked through so many waves of feminism that no one knows where we are anymore, little girls still aren’t being taught “to get their claws out” in verbal terms: “How to have your say in a hostile environment, how to speak at length without being interrupted, how to take the lead in a group.”

“Remember that empathy,” Maier “is just one of the supposed ‘caring’ qualities we’ve had projected onto us. Qualities that happen to be very convenient for men.”

the chapters on husbands in #MeFirst!, the ones that point out how beneficial marriage is for men, and how detrimental it is for women on every level – right down to life expectancy.

Just some quotes from quite a long interveiw - see https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/corinne-maier-feminism-motherhood-marriage-selfish-women/

Full article can also be read at https://archive.ph/B1LmG

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DrJump · 25/03/2024 01:07

I'm so sick of mothering being seen as less than. Why can't mothering be good and worthwhile task valuable on its own terms. Why can't the work of making food for families and friends and loved ones been seen as valuable. No only valuable if you charge for it. Baking for friends and family as a joy as away of caring, as away of making connections bad. Making cupcakes a side hussle good.

Rasing your children in your own home bad. Rasing children in childcare being paid good.

Fuck that.

Mothers and mothering bring untold benefit to society.

Mumoftwo1312 · 25/03/2024 00:53

I'm all for being lazy and saying no to unreasonable demands.

But I'd strongly dispute that marriage is only beneficial for men. Its main benefit, which was its original purpose that hasn't really changed, is to put barriers in the way of men fathering children then abandoning the children's mother to destitution.

Some other aspects of living with a man might be detrimental to women, yes. Being the household dogsbody etc. Doing all the work of raising the kids with a selfish man (if applicable). Increased risk of domestic violence.

But women are having kids with men and taking all those risks like reducing their income etc but increasingly not getting married because - feminism. Meanwhile the patriarchy is laughing all the way to the bank.

So I'm sceptical of so-called feminists advising women not to get married. I'm of the view feminism should have women's welfare at heart.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 25/03/2024 00:51

even the famously laissez-faire French

Laissez-faire? Really? I don't think the interviewer knows a thing about France. And not much about second wave feminism, either.

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