Planet Fitness Trans Saga

I cannot believe there are posters who will defend a man in a women’s changing room. 99% of dads of girls would also call this bloke a paedo.

I agree, he shouldn't be in there and if I was running the gym he wouldn't be. But it's not my gym and their policy is he's allowed.

You mentioned TWAW, not me.

First, report to staff in the gym. Then if they say he's allowed, ask to see the policy. If she doesn't like the policy, complain to management / head office. Raise awareness in a constructive and evidence-based manner.

What you don't do is start harassing the TW, taking photos in the changing room, shouting at the staff (as she admits on her own posts) and rant about pedos on Facebook.

So, TW are not women so no reason for them to be in women's spaces - good glad we agree.

Why did you bring TW into the frame?

or who wants to be in the room with 12 year old girls who are not related who are wrapped in a towel when there seems to be no other people in the room until this woman walked in?

I am surprised to see someone who doesn't see an issue with this.

No. Actually, I am not. I remember there was a poster who declared that the woman who went to reception at WiSpa in a towel behaved more egregiously than the male with a semi-erect penis who slid into the spa less than a metre from the eye line of a nine year old girl.

I also remember posters defending a male getting dressed in a Belfast gym on more than one occasion so that two girls could describe that male's penis and testicles. And those girls felt they could not report the incident to their dad until weeks of this behaviour.

I also remember in Washington state there was the sex abuse survivor who heard the male voice of a male who was watching five year old girls get undressed and dressed. There was never any confirmation that the parents ever knew that a male was going to watch these girls get dressed and undressed. And the gym said they would call the police on the woman who objected in a state of shock at having her own privacy effectively stripped because she was behind a translucent curtain showering in front of that male.

So... no. There are people out there who will defend a male person being in a room with a 12 year old girl in a towel where that 12 year old girl likely expected to be there only with female people.

Definitely.

It's like Wi Spa all over again.

*I'm not defending him, I'm criticising the actions of the woman who was banned from the gym.

Those are not the same thing.*

What should she have done in this circumstance? When seeing a male in a changing room in the presence of a twelve year old girl?

Quite the feat considering they all have this board hidden apparently.

How do you know it isn’t?

And even if it isn’t, why do you think the 12 year old girl should have her body be exposed to his gaze? Or have to view his naked body?

Why do you think normal safeguarding requirements should not stand if he says he’s trans?

I'm not defending him, I'm criticising the actions of the woman who was banned from the gym.

Those are not the same thing.

That doesn't make it not dodgy as fuck.

Just because Planet Fitness have their heads up their arses about the dangers of this absurd policy doesn't make it okay.

Hopefully they are enjoying the 100s of millions of dollars in losses. I'm sure this man was worth it.

I'm impressed- it is very rare we see anyone here blatantly defending people who are choosing to expose themselves in front of children. I think you are utterly wrong, @Cazpar , but I am reluctantly impressed at your willingness to defend such a person.

Are you saying this is the motive for trans women using the women's changing rooms?

What do you call a grown man who wants to be naked with naked 12 year old girls?

And the clothed interloper was allowed to be there, as well you know. We might not agree with it, but those are the facts.

She was talking a photo of the clothed interloper as well you know.

Why would I "bleat" TWAW? They're not women.

This is it isn't it? Why is this ok? There will be mums with daughters younger than 12 as well won't there? Getting changed? Showering?

But it was fine for the woman concerned to take photos in the changing room where a 12-year old girl is undressed and in a towel?

Prioritising the feelings of a man over the feelings and safety of twelve year old girls now, and still people try and defend it.

Well done world.

No, we are stating the bleeding obvious that any adult male who wants to be in the presence of a naked 12 year old girl has questionable motives.

And before you bleat the TWAW mantra, they are male it is the defining criteria for being a TW.