Planet Fitness Trans Saga

Let me guess: the better way is for women to #BeKind and shut up?

Yep, when a male chooses to shower with a naked 12 year old, the problem is the way that a woman draws attention to this, and not the male's actions. Gotcha. As long as we're all clear that women are always in the wrong, and that males can do what the fuck they like, all's good.

How can anyone tell?

There are lots of TW who very stridently demand the right to use women's facilities. And, as trans (and gender generally) is just a feeling in people's heads, there is no way to differentiate.

That's why these facilities must be segregated by sex, not gender feelz.

Unfortunately for this case, he is a transwoman if he says he is. What is it that makes you think he might not be a "genuine " transwoman?

Absolutely. We are so done with being kind, following process, asking for things to be reviewed and so on. It’s how we get fobbed off again and again by organisations that don’t want to face up to the implications of their policies, in the name of “inclusivity”.

Fuck that. Shit like this needs to be dragged out into the press.

What would an 'actual' trans person do?

A man, who needed to shave, dressed in stereotypically male clothing, was in a room with a partially clothed female child. This was seen by an adult human female, who ensured that she had incontrovertible evidence of his presence. She then took that evidence to the staff of the business, who told her that the man identified as LGBTQ and therefore was allowed to be in the female changing room. Presumably only identifying as the T part of the above would have allowed him to access that area. The woman was then sufficiently incensed that she felt the need to publicise this event. I can not see how else she could have publicised this bizarre set of circumstances.

People like him give actual trans people a bad name. I know several trans people and the last thing they want is to draw attention to their trans status. They absolutely would not put themselves in a situation like that.

That man is not a trans woman and that is the whole problem with self id.

Gym, not hun. Thanks spellcheck…

Would she have made the news and highlighted this absurdity if she had gone with what you suggested? Fuck 'company policy' when it comes at the expense of the safety and wellbeing of women and children.

And if she’d been meek and polite neither he not the hun would have got the $400m message that this isn’t ok and won’t be stood for. No matter what their shitty rules say.

Actually I disagree. If she'd gone about this quietly nobody would have heard about it. She might consider the absolutely massive financial kicking Planet Fitness are getting worth the police record. I think I would.

I'm not the one splitting hairs. If you have an issue with this being about trans then you need to take it up with the OP who decided the title.

It refers to the trans saga. He identifies as trans as his right to be there. No one else did. Until you. You can split hairs all you like.

Because whether we like it or not, he was allowed to be there. Now she's been banned from the gym and had a police report filed against her. There are better ways of doing things.

Except the OP did. In the very title of the thread..

What you don't do is start harassing the TW, taking photos in the changing room, shouting at the staff (as she admits on her own posts) and rant about pedos on Facebook.

Why not?

Why worry about his comfort? He’s not worrying about the comfort of the 12 year old. Why are you advocating for the woman who stood up for her to do so only in a people pleasing way, polite way, lest she offends?

Fuck that. He should feel uncomfortable. And the more men expect women to do this type of thing if they dare set foot in the ladies, the better. Let there be no expectation that women will be cowed into acquiescence and appeasement.

The man said he was LGBTQ. No posters referred to the man as trans until you did.

We all know he's a man. And we see what you're doing.

Again, the title of the thread is "Planet Fitness Trans Saga".

I belief the first comment to mention 'TW' was yours.

The title of the thread is "Planet Fitness Trans Saga"...

Um no I didn't bring TW into it, you did in this post.

If she hadn’t taken a photo people would have called her a liar. I understand now that staff are escorting him to the women’s changing rooms!

how PF can think this is good for their business is beyond me

and yes, by definition any male who goes where women and girls are undressed and vulnerable is a predator.

@Cazpar Quite telling really when the first thing one is bothered about is the man and whether correct polite womanly protocol has been followed, and not the immediate safety and wellbeing of the girl.

She challenged him, he refused to go. He can deal with the consequences. Women are getting fed up with this shit and your response proves why.

He’s not a trans woman. He’s a man shaving his beard in a woman’s changing room. At the time in front of a 12 year old girl, wrapped in a towel. Where the heck is the safeguarding here?!

Fine, their rules, their company. If enough people don't like those rules and bin their memberships (including men) I suspect the rules might change.