Planet Fitness Trans Saga

No ordinary decent man would want to find himself in a women's changing room with girls OR women. The men I know would not set foot. And if by some accident stumbled in there, would get out asap. So yes we can question this guy's motives.

To the PPs saying that the 'trans people they know' would never do this - there is no way of telling 'true trans' from 'fake trans predator'. None at all. That is because 'transwomen' are men. That is why we want our separate spaces. JKR has been saying this, nicely, for years now.

That woman who confronted him did good. Good for her. What a woman. This dude's pic has been all over social media for days, everyone knows who he is now. She's a hero, and an example to be followed by any woman who clocks a man in their private space.

I can't think of any benign reason why a man would want to be in a women's changing room.

That's the whole problem. Once it becomes acceptable for men to go into women's facilities, this ENORMOUS loophole has opened up for the Saviles of this world. 'Oh, dear me no, I wasn't letching at the young girl, I'm trans/queer/identify as gender neutral' or whatever and bingo, 'Oh, there you go, sir, er, I mean madam, er, yes, whatever...' <holds open door to female changing room>

People who can't see this either have tunnel vision or are stupid or are naive.

As a poster said the other day, how can you tell the perverts apart from the 'real trans'? You can't. So how many scared or abused or actually raped young girls are an acceptable level of fallout to keep a handful of men happy?

But here we are. Being kind and polite has helped to land us here.

Are we sure this man wasn't doing this to make a point and raise awareness of this ridiculous situation? Absolute piss take to just claim i'm LGBTQ am allowed in here. Mind blowing that the company have gone along with it.

@Cazpar

Out of interest, if a TW walked around a remake changing room where 12 year old girls were with nothing on and penis out would this be tolerated?

What if TW stood naked with penis out right next to 12 year old girl whilst she was changing.

What if they were holding their penis whilst looking at the 12 year old girl?

At what point would you say it was not tolerable.

Not sure of the details but according to the articles I've read, he's a known character in the area. He has approached girls for sex and stalked women in malls. He's known in the area for being a creepy sex pest if not actually convicted pedo

If you are female and use female changing rooms it's unlikely that you will encounter women shaving their faces.

Most pools/gyms have rule against shaving.

I'm less concerned about his shaving and more concerned about the fact that he is a man in a women's space.

I don’t know about you all but I’ve never seen someone shaving in the changing room. It’s unusual that they chose to do that there and combined with everything else suggests to me they were being deliberately provocative or living out some kind of fetish.

I wouldn’t be surprised if all their friends and family know them as “he”. And it’s interesting that this person didn’t explicitly say to the woman that they were trans, instead they said “LGBT”

So your gym then has no communal changing area that those male people enter to get to the cubicles? Ie. The cubicles they use don’t require them walking through any communal spaces where female people have the expectation of privacy ?

Sounds like a better set up.

If laws were introduced that allowed men to have sex with 12 year olds would you be here defending a man who did just that Cazpar?
Just because it's the rules?
Or would you feel justified in complaining because of what is morally right?

Some men are,that's a fact.

It’s like the Spanish case where men in the armed forces have claimed to be trans in order to claim benefits available to women. These are men who can see right through “TWAW”, they know that there’s no way to deny that someone is trans, so they just march in and claim female spaces.

In the Wi Spa footage, I sometimes think of the man with the moustache who patronisingly told Cubana Angel 'you're kind of being a dick'.

Women who stand up for themselves and for little girls get attacked. Every time. The Guardian ran a hit piece on Angel, rubbishing her views.

Women who protested outside the Spa were physically attacked and hustled off to jeers from masked antifa types.

A transwoman released a truly awful music video of theyself in a Spa with a monstrous penis attacking women, and got a puff piece in the Guardian.

Laurie Penny said the girls should have 'looked away' and not complained.

it's such a clear illustration of rape culture, of silencing women, of prioritising men's wants and desires over women's safety and wellbeing.

That’s why women and in some cases girls use video or photograph

Because there’s enough male colluders who will discredit and attack

And still those actions providing proof receive punishment because male colluders don’t want anyone to see it

Why do we have to have expected standards of behaviour for women who find a man alone with a preteen girl in a women’s changing room? Why can’t she freak out about it?

There are a couple of trans women at my gym. They use a closed cubicle. They are very welcome to be part of the gym community.

There was an issue recently where a dad insisted on taking his 10 year old daughter in to the male changing rooms. The men in the changing room complained to the staff that it was inappropriate to have a female of that age in their changing room. Men should feel uncomfortable to change in front of a girl!

I just cannot understand why the guy would say "I'm LGBT". Lesbians don't use the change room of the opposite sex. Gay men don't use the change room of the opposite sex. Bisexual people don't use the change room of the opposite sex. What has anyone's sexuality got to do with where they change? Are we saying that lesbians should now be changing with men? This is all so backwards.

This ! 👏

I see the same tactics as the WiSpa debacle are being deployed.

Call the women liars, then if that falls down call them perverts for even looking. Then if that falls down, call them bigots and try and dig dirt on them online and use that to try and intimidate and discredit them.

We see you, and your methods are becoming less and less effective, no one is buying it anymore, and you know it- hence the panic.

This is how abusers get away with it, they use disbelief and front to cover their intentions.

Priests, teachers, sports coaches, celebrities and now "trans". Abusers used the cover of these "sacred castes" to access women and children. As is often said, if you create a loophole, they will come.

It's not phobic to apply agreed safeguarding principles to each and every scenario.

Not really hard to believe.
Are you new to this subject? It’s been happening lots.

I’m also happy to see the share price plummet

Good. Pp may wish that women did everything meekly but hit the share price, make an impact

The guy in the photo is the most blokiest bloke to have ever bloked. It really shows the truth of self ID - any man who wants to change with the women will be accepted, no questions asked.

Well done that woman for getting evidence and refusing to let it lie.

I heard this too, I wonder if two women have to escort him? Two men? One of each?
Whichever way round it seems even more people have to be involved, when a simple rule no men of any gender would do the trick.

Which part is unlikely?

The man being there in women’s changing rooms? Happens all the time.

Shaving? That’s tame compared to previous incidents.

Allowed himself to be photographed? I agree that’s unlikely given the aggression shown when confronted.

The entire scenario? This is just another of a long list.

Remember when everyone thought the woman at the WiSpa was lying, including the Guardian, about a man in the spa naked with a semi erect penis with children around? And she was subsequently vindicated when a man was arrested and charged with indecent exposure?

Such naivety to think this can’t be true.