Planet Fitness Trans Saga

Exactly. And very obvious.

Don't let them off so lightly. They know fine well; they just don't care.

These people have obviously no idea about indecent exposure, the kind of people men who do it, and its relationship with other sex crimes.

Indeed. If the woman who took the photo did shout, good for her. That seems an entirely appropriate response to finding a bloke in a changing room with a semi-naked child.

I can't believe we've got to a point in society where people will defend a man's right to be in a female changing room where young girls are. It's so wrong, dangerous and bloody ridiculous. So fed up with this nonsense and the politicians, celebrities and ordinary people who support it.

Thank you. And Laurie Penny said (paraphrasing) that any little girl who would look at an erect penis is the pervert and needs to be taught NOT to look. Disgusting. And as a lesbian, i hate that these perverts mention the letter L

I'm really not sure why being "judgement-free" is seen as such a great thing. If there's somewhere 'anything goes' shouldn't be a mantra, it's around safety, surely?

And surely it's widely accepted that men shouldn't be around naked children ...

Exactly. Which is why we must continue to segregate by sex. Because it's a real, provable thing.
Unlike "gender identity ", which is a giant steaming pile of made up fucking horse shit.

I’ve got links with the far left. I’ve been on a protest where there were a lot of SWP banners.

I think she’s entitled to be angry, and she may have acted a little too much out of anger (shouting at staff)but largely her actions were justified. I also note that “shouting” has quite a broad definition. I certainly get accused of shouting every time I speak assertively, and I suspect women get accused even more!

You are correct, of course.

I'd love to see them try it in a Paxman-style interview with a competent interviewer who's not bound by BBC-style pandering requirements, and really holds their feet to the fire on it.

They would tell you a lot of bollocks about souls and being kind and most oppressed and Other Things Too.

They basically mean that they believe the desires and agendas of a small handful of men, whatever those agendas may include, outweigh the rights, safety and freedom from sexual use of all women and girls.

I think you may have misunderstood me - I am agreeing with exactly what you have said? I even used the same words - this is the problem with Self ID.

As I said any trans person I know would absolutely not put themselves in this situation, using cubicles instead. Because being trans they are just interested in getting changed in a safe way, not gaining access to vulnerable people.

I firmly believe no penis in the female changing rooms would be a better rule, regardless of who they are attached to. Man, TW, whatever else someone identifies as. Make more single cubicles available and everyone is safer.

I’d love to see Keir Starmer and the various police Commissioners answer this.

me either. Why isn’t he a male trans person as the woman in reception supposedly said? I must missed something.

Okay, but I don't see how he's not a trans person.

At no point have I given my opinion on him being in the changing room. I have merely said that I don't believe he is actually a trans person, rather that in my opinion he is a predatory man using Self ID as a loop hole to gain access to spaces he shouldn't be in.

Which is the whole reason I have a problem with Self ID, it is wide open to abuse by people with questionable motives.

According to that great public intellectual, Laurie Penny, if it's a man you are allowed to call the police, but if it's a true and honest laydee with a lady-dicque, you should let your young daughters know that 'it's rude to stare' and let 'her' got about 'her' business

Right, all those predatory lesbians roaming around! I'll take my chances with them over the man trying to change next to little girls.

Are we saying that lesbians should now be changing with men? This is all so backwards.

I've heard this suggested by transactivists proposing that straight women need to be protected from lesbians. It's always men taking this line and they usually think they've come up with a 'gotcha' line of argument. Unfortunately the statistics show incredibly low levels of risk from lesbian sex offenders and women aren't scared of lesbian women. They are rationally scared of men in their single-sex spaces because the only men motivated to get into those spaces are men who don't have women's best interests at heart.

The people creating the legislation that has led to this outcome didn’t think it through and now they have no bloody idea how to fix it

Bar try to silence women obviously

Good on this woman showing how loud she can be and quantifying it via the share price

Yet another similarity to Wi Spa.

It's fantastic (though insane) that PF are doubling down like this. GC women could not have asked for a more perfect example of the dangers of self-ID. It's like a South Park episode - gym provides chaperones to protect sex pest's right to use women's changing room.

This guy should be knighted for services to gender criticism 😉

What kind of man insists on changing next to women and girls?

Women need firm legislation and management to protect them from the men who'd love to get their kit off in the presence of 12-year-olds.

What is the difference between indecent exposure and a TW exposing their penis?

@Cazpar youre being deliberately obtuse, the man in the changing rooms was a man, not a TW. People are saying males that want to change in front of children are pedophiles, not TW. HTH.