Angela Rayner in the Guardian

Don't know about bigger boat, but Angela will definitely need a bigger bowl.

For that word salad she's serving up.

Oh god not her.

Do you agree with her that men are also women?

Do they? You know Mumsnet isn't necessarily a representative sample of people opinion right?

I think she's great.

The problem with this is then you have to follow it through and try and bodge things like public toilets. It’s like ‘ok how can we say men can be women but still make the toilets safe for women? Now anyone can go in because you can’t question it. I know let’s make the toilets fully enclosed so men won’t peep under them and they are more private’. The result obviously is that it becomes much less safe for everyone as they are now private places where sexual assaults, drug use and importantly medical emergencies can happen with less visibility. I helped save a young woman’s life who collapsed because we saw her blue arm through the door gap.

The public toilet consultation last year said these mixed sex private toilets were preferred as a design by government. Clueless.

I won’t be voting for her party because of this issue. I’ll stick to a local independent candidate at this rate. I would be a bIt of a hypocrite coming here bemoaning the state of women’s rights and yet STILL think labour are a good idea despite the evidence that they will take women’s rights back by decades .

i will struggle to have any sympathy for anyone who posts on this board who votes for them. I mean, the cognitive dissonance alone must be difficult even now, let alone later on when they start implementing policy that negatively impacts women and girls. The excuses and the whataboutism and the mental gymnastics.

Don’t say you weren't warned. Don’t come a crying. It’s what you want if you vote for them. Buckle up!

This is a statement a lot of the public might have agreed with 5 years ago when people would have assumed she was talking about a tiny number of (ostensibly gay) men who were effeminate and had full surgery.

Since then most people unless they've been living under a rock are aware of men like 'Isla' Bryson or 'Lia' Thomas. The public know now that men exist who demand access to women's spaces whose only 'transition' might be to use a different name or pronouns. They've heard about the man in Planet Fitness who was shaving his beard in the women's change rooms or they've heard about the man at Wi Spa who was exposing his erection to women and girls.

This argument will no longer wash with the public Angela.

Is she really thick as pig shit or is she just lying for “likes”?

Scary that she could be in a position of power soon. I can’t wait til nearer the election when all these soundbites will come out to haunt them.

I disagree with Rayner’s comment, but I also think that Labour is moving its (public) position on this issue. They have seen that there is growing disquiet about the impact of trans rights on women and girls and are now trying to come up with a 'common sense compromise.' I think theyll fail, but there you go.

@lonelywater

"Where do these people get off on saying "most of the public agree with xyz?" "

I think they are being sincere in this statement except for them "most of the public " actually means the fellow political activists and career politicians that they live in a bubble with. Because they don't actually have any interaction with the public they have no idea what most of the public do or do not agree on

I am at the point of seriously considering too, for the first time in my adult life, just not voting.

What is the point, where it's the same mess and vile lunacy, just coming in a few different colours?

That talking over people seems to be very common among these gobshites and their supporters these days eyeballs, as well as other agitating A-holes who just want their opinions heard and won't let anyone else speak, let alone listen to them

They do it all the time - literally bawling slogans over others people's attempts to give another point of view - there's no debate, no proper argument - just playground shouting tactics. And we all know why.

Disappointed in you Angela, I really thought you would have safeguarded biological females, but more BS from labour, looking like this will be the first election in my life when I'm politically homeless and not voting.

I noted that the journalist said Rayner barely shuts up & talks over people so I guess listening to ppl isn’t one of her skills…..

Patronising, gaslighting moron.

F**k off Angela, you're chatting shite.

Where do these people get off on saying "most of the public agree with xyz?"
do they ever provide proof for this? No. I had thought labour were showing tentative signs of rejoining planet earth, but apparently not. Off they fuck then.

Goodbye the word "woman".

I also find it interesting that politicians of all views now tend to be career politicians and have never had a proper job. Rather than starting in a regular job then either through say their union work or after a successful career then decide to become a politician.

They also surround themselves with other career politicians or would be career politicians. Because of this the issues athat they think are important and the views they adopt are the ones that politically active people shout the loudest about rather than what ordinary voters actually want.

Which in turn makes them dismissive of and alienate ordinary voters - for example Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy or Emily Thornberry's sneering post of the St George's flag and white van.

I've long been of the opinion that Labour are sh1t-scared of getting into power.

However, the chances of them not are practically nil (I think the best we can hope for is a coalition, though God alone knows who with)

I suspect they're pushing this trans @&$! because they want a nice big pay check from someone with an interest in trans-identity so they're keeping them sweet when for they are out in the election that follows.

I think that there are good, honest politicians in all parties - but they have to grow some ovaries and refuse to follow the TRA line on this no matter what their party leaders might say.

This is the safety of women and children we're talking about here - it shouldn't be messed with.

C&P my response on another thread

bottom line Labour still think some men are women and the effect of that is that single sex spaces will be screwed under Labour without even getting into how it skews census data, programmes to support and encourage women, tje recognition of issues that affect women more than men, medical research

they are fucking clowns!!

looks like my ballot paper is going to be “none of the above!”

Most of the public think you're insane, dear.

I notice that trans-identifying men stand at the women's oche as well. This immediately gives someone taller, and with a longer reach, in addition to the other evolutionary advantages.

Well done Katie.

We all know who the real winner is.

This Angela Raynor, keeping the green benches warm for Madigan.

The way many Labour MPs have been behaving/statements they have been making I genuinely think this is down to either they do not want to be in power (because they know they are inheriting an absolute shitshow) or an awful lot of Labour MPs have had donations from TRAs/TRA corporations.

Pure idiocy indeed

Dangerous too