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The TRA banging thr symbol in the horses face

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Eminybob · 24/03/2024 11:42

How can anyone watch this and yet still side with trans rights?
Do people think this behaviour is justified, because GC women wanting to protect their rights are evil incarnate?

Why is this behaviour not peaking the world?

And why do so many otherwise sane individuals think its OK to refer to a rapist as she and house him in a women's prison?

I've just had enough of it all.

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EdithStourton · 24/03/2024 20:26

Fixerupper77 · 24/03/2024 18:24

i didn’t know that! That’s interesting.

well, I absolutely don’t care about being rude to white conservative men so that’s ok.

So you're 100% AOK with them being rude to you?

As @Froodwithatowel said, I try to be polite to everyone, even people I disagree with. I find it much more productive and it makes for a pleasanter society.

Cauliflowery · 24/03/2024 20:16

NewOrder · 24/03/2024 12:01

Yes, that behaviour is abohhrant. However I would be careful about smearing an entire group of people because of the actions of one person, especially when GC views are being co-opted by the far right and gammon media.

They're not though, are they?

Many right wing people might well believe, like lots of people including feminists, that humans can't change sex.

But I doubt they want to do away with gender stereotypes, like feminists do?

In fact, like the TRA view, the traditional right wing view is that gender stereotypes are very important.

deadwildroses.com/2019/10/07/handy-venn-diagrams-the-radical-feminist-position-on-gender/

SpringLobelia · 24/03/2024 20:13

SabrinaThwaite · 24/03/2024 14:04

Nah, the horse is resting that foot, ears are relaxed and the rider is leaning to their right to talk to someone.

Yes this. Horses rest one foot like this when they are about to fall asleep. (or indeed are asleep... or enormously bored). Which made me laugh.

wiffin · 24/03/2024 20:03

SidewaysOtter · 24/03/2024 19:54

Yes, but they see colours differently. A lot don’t like white or yellow, in my experience.

They see things differently to us in general: https://creaturescorner.com/horses/understanding-how-vision-works-in-a-horse/

I find newly painted lines on the road can be interesting and tend to get a hard stare.

wiffin · 24/03/2024 20:01

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 19:01

I have been thinking about the police horses who were leary about crossing the rainbow in the road. (One of the small clips posted earlier). Don't know much about horses but know that sheep who have been bucket fed will race towards a bucket even years later in the hope its got treats in it. Would horses subjected to loud noises and jostling in demonstrations which have rainbow flags later associate the rainbow image with danger? (If so not at all blaming them).

No. Police horses have a huge amount of training. Horses are prey animals and to override the flee response takes serious training and a certain temperament. They all have the odd mad five minutes though.

What a vile thing to try to do that to a horse. Takes a certain kind of twatishness to try and frighten an animal.

SidewaysOtter · 24/03/2024 19:57

SinnerBoy · 24/03/2024 15:54

As an aside, I hadn't noticed previously that Police horses wear shin pads.

Oh - this raised a smile:

https://twitter.com/context_outside/status/1771835248868806857

They are kind of like shin pads but not quite. The ones the horse is wearing are brushing boots and the strike pad is on the inside rather than the front. They’re designed to stop the horse knocking themselves on the inside of their legs. They are padded all the way round though, it’s far better to have to throw away a torn boot than have a vets bill for stitches if your horse catches themselves on something.

On the TRA thing, it says it all about what sort of people they are that they don’t care about upsetting an animal or risking one getting hurt if it became scared and bolted (much as police horses are trained not to do that, they’re not machines). Absolute cunts.

SidewaysOtter · 24/03/2024 19:54

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:04

Do horses see in colour?

Yes, but they see colours differently. A lot don’t like white or yellow, in my experience.

They see things differently to us in general: https://creaturescorner.com/horses/understanding-how-vision-works-in-a-horse/

Understanding How Vision Works in a Horse - CreaturesCorner.com

The horse has one of the largest eyes of any land animal. They are also capable of magnifying images twice as much as people.

https://creaturescorner.com/horses/understanding-how-vision-works-in-a-horse/

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 19:46

Thank you @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g for the clip and @Helleofabore for explanations. That last bit of the auditors recording where he is being followed across the street by a breakaway mob and then appears to be on the ground surrounded by them, explains how the second part of the clip I linked to happens. (From watching the UK auditor recording when that happened I assume that that extended clip is from his bodycam. Its quite sinister to have people come after you to stop you filming and they are masked and clearly intent on stopping you.

Helleofabore · 24/03/2024 19:20

Here we go.

Just for anyone else who wishes to claim that 'both sides' are just as bad. And that a man totally unconnected to the women being violent (regardless of the provacation) is in any way representative of 'the women's side'. This is from the Auditors Australia YouTube channel.

Photography is not a crime.
Our Government need to be held accountable. Our Police need to be educated and transparent.
When you start losing your FREEDOMS because of feelings. That's not the "She'll be right Mate"and "A fair go" Australia was Proud to Be.

These are freedom of speech people who may share the final outcomes that feminists wish for, but they are not motivated by exactly the same motivations. They have a different motivation.

Maybe we need this reminder.

For readers unsure of terminology:

The term ‘GC’ of course is a shortened version of ‘Gender Critical’, which is shortening of ‘Gender Critical feminist’. Gender critical feminist was the original term and referred to the feminist theory that rejected gender stereotypes. Meaning that those feminists rejected the stereotypes being used by trans people to define their identities. Feminists seek to abolish the gender stereotypes embraced by people who believe that people can change sex.

It is a universal belief that people cannot change sex. The vast majority of the world’s population don’t believe people can change sex. So therefore people across a wide spectrum of political views share that opinion based on scientific evidence.

Some people who are considered far right wing also share the belief that people cannot change sex. It is not a controversial thing to believe. No chopping of cocks will change a person’s sex. Those groups also tend to embrace gender stereotypes.

However, to falsely align feminists with people who may have very different motivations to them yet want outcome that look similar when described at top level description only, extreme activists have dropped the ‘feminist’ from
the term ‘gender critical feminist’:

This is how ‘gender critical‘ is dishonestly misused. To falsely bolster discussions about political alignment.

Those other groups who also believe that sex cannot be changed, yet embrace gender stereotypes are falsely labelled ‘gender critical’. They are not. But by falsely labelling the different groups this way, by force teaming feminists with far right groups, extreme trans activists and lazy people who simply repeat what those activists say, portray feminists as allies of the far right.

This is done to discredit feminists and to portray them as hateful towards trans people. This is false.

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:14

Boiledbeetle · 24/03/2024 19:12

You'd have to ask a 🐎. Chances are though it would say nay! (It would be lying though)

Arf

Boiledbeetle · 24/03/2024 19:12

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:04

Do horses see in colour?

You'd have to ask a 🐎. Chances are though it would say nay! (It would be lying though)

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:10

Waitwhat23 · 24/03/2024 19:07

Interestingly, yes

'The Met said: “A misconception is that horses only see in black and white. They may not see colour the way we do, but they are not ‘colour blind’.

“Therefore, the differing shades and patterns of a colourful crossing could suggest an obstacle in the road, causing a horse to shy from something that we, as humans do not see.

“This eliminates risk to public, motorists or distress to our horses.”'

From www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-horses-spooked-special-training-lgbt-rainbow-colourful-crossings-project-b991872.html

Interesting thank you.

Helleofabore · 24/03/2024 19:09

dapsnotplimsolls · 24/03/2024 19:07

I think the stand he's fighting them off with is his own equipment.

He seems to have a tripod. He feed was very steady. In the Channel nine footage his phone is clearly knocked off that tripod, this is shown in the extended footage posted by Gaspode. That extended footage also shows that his phone was on a tripod as he lifted it up high once they started to follow and scream at him.

Waitwhat23 · 24/03/2024 19:07

Interestingly, yes

'The Met said: “A misconception is that horses only see in black and white. They may not see colour the way we do, but they are not ‘colour blind’.

“Therefore, the differing shades and patterns of a colourful crossing could suggest an obstacle in the road, causing a horse to shy from something that we, as humans do not see.

“This eliminates risk to public, motorists or distress to our horses.”'

From www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-horses-spooked-special-training-lgbt-rainbow-colourful-crossings-project-b991872.html

dapsnotplimsolls · 24/03/2024 19:07

I think the stand he's fighting them off with is his own equipment.

Helleofabore · 24/03/2024 19:07

NecessaryScene · 24/03/2024 19:05

Except that it seems that the case is.... that it is someone unrelated to the women speaking that is being declared as 'on the women's side'. So some posters can make the false claim.

He was there filming the event, and wasn't one of the TRAs, and in their mind that's enough to make him "on the women's side". These mobs regard anyone documenting their behaviour as their enemy, and are prone to attack them.

Yes, we have seen this with the UK versions of the auditors.

I think it was Rukshan last year who was documenting it and got abused by trans activists for filming.

NecessaryScene · 24/03/2024 19:05

Except that it seems that the case is.... that it is someone unrelated to the women speaking that is being declared as 'on the women's side'. So some posters can make the false claim.

He was there filming the event, and wasn't one of the TRAs, and in their mind that's enough to make him "on the women's side". These mobs regard anyone documenting their behaviour as their enemy, and are prone to attack them.

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:05

Snowypeaks · 24/03/2024 19:03

Don't rely on Wikipedia as a source for anything.

😂

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 19:04

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 19:01

I have been thinking about the police horses who were leary about crossing the rainbow in the road. (One of the small clips posted earlier). Don't know much about horses but know that sheep who have been bucket fed will race towards a bucket even years later in the hope its got treats in it. Would horses subjected to loud noises and jostling in demonstrations which have rainbow flags later associate the rainbow image with danger? (If so not at all blaming them).

Do horses see in colour?

Snowypeaks · 24/03/2024 19:03

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 18:57

Don't rely on Wikipedia as a source for anything.

Helleofabore · 24/03/2024 19:03

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 18:57

@Fixerupper77 can't view that footage but can view this - is it the same event? Was the guy in sun glasses trying to keep control of some sort of black pole (mike boom/camera equipment?) someone you were thinking was anti-trans? Masked attendees are trying to take it from him by force and he is clearly not wanting to let go. I saw this as a fight over property and not anti-trans directed. (This is the second part of the segment).

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-gender-protest-activists-clash-with-police/bfde64b9-3263-4003-b4cc-f0a31e361aeb

Gaspode has posted the full clip. And I have just posted the times of the incident.

I cannot see where Shane 'antagonised' the trans protestors except to be there and to live stream the event as an 'auditor'. He even says, I am going to get going at 1:21 ish.

At 1.25 the male protestors come and crowd him and he leaves. They demand he stops filming. I don't believe that they are legally allowed to prevent him from filming.

At 1.26 he is asking if the police are going to stop the the harassment and the following. They did nothing.

At 1.27 he clearly tells Emma to go inside.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 19:01

I have been thinking about the police horses who were leary about crossing the rainbow in the road. (One of the small clips posted earlier). Don't know much about horses but know that sheep who have been bucket fed will race towards a bucket even years later in the hope its got treats in it. Would horses subjected to loud noises and jostling in demonstrations which have rainbow flags later associate the rainbow image with danger? (If so not at all blaming them).

Helleofabore · 24/03/2024 19:01

Brefugee · 24/03/2024 18:57

Also the things that American chap was shouting, in full view of the police. And the police? absolute fuckers did nothing at all. Nothing.

Apparently though, it is both sides.

Except that it seems that the case is.... that it is someone unrelated to the women speaking that is being declared as 'on the women's side'. So some posters can make the false claim.

I would recommend any poster laying claim to 'both sides are as bad as the other' should actually do more research before making such a claim. Because just because the Australian media has posted something without investigating it, doesn't make it true. As we have seen from the event last year....

But apparently.... both sides....

quantumbutterfly · 24/03/2024 18:57

Snowypeaks · 24/03/2024 18:56

They probably aren't, but that is nevertheless the origin of the term.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammon_(insult)

Gammon (insult) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammon_(insult)

Gettingmadderallthetime · 24/03/2024 18:57

@Fixerupper77 can't view that footage but can view this - is it the same event? Was the guy in sun glasses trying to keep control of some sort of black pole (mike boom/camera equipment?) someone you were thinking was anti-trans? Masked attendees are trying to take it from him by force and he is clearly not wanting to let go. I saw this as a fight over property and not anti-trans directed. (This is the second part of the segment).

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-gender-protest-activists-clash-with-police/bfde64b9-3263-4003-b4cc-f0a31e361aeb

Anti-trans demonstrators clash with police in Melbourne

Police officers used capsicum spray when some activists tried to break through a police line and two protes...

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-gender-protest-activists-clash-with-police/bfde64b9-3263-4003-b4cc-f0a31e361aeb

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