The TRA banging thr symbol in the horses face

Please post your evidence that feminist groups who prioritise sex over gender when sex matters had anything to do with ‘Turning Point’? And can you post which feminist groups who campaign to prioritise sex over gender when sex matters protested at anti -drag protests last year?

It really seems like you draw your arguments from extreme trans activists on social media and never actually check those statements out. Surely you must realise by now that what is applauded as a great ‘gotcha’ by other extreme trans activists is all too often based on falsity in someway or another. Either is straight out false, or is a fallacy or a cognitive distortion, or is completely inconsistent or incoherent.

And by ‘extreme trans activist’ I mean those who demand that male people should be treated like they were female at all times, even when sex matters and should be prioritised over gender. I don’t mean trans people rightfully fighting against illegitimate discrimination while respecting the needs of other groups and discussing ways to find equitable solutions that don’t conflict with those other groups rights.

So, you tried to land some kind of clever 'gotcha' that actually is not a direct comparator?

You thought to use some kind of reverse 'gotcha' but the reality is you seem to miss some very huge glaring points.

This kind of behaviour from this male protestor was also shown by the news feeds to have been the same kind of behaviour that resulted in a group of the same group of protestors being sprayed with pepper spray by the Victorian Police on the day.

PLUS we now have footage of another group of them behaving in the same fashion following a man who was there live streaming with alleged reports of one of them pulling the man's daughter's hair.

In fact, did you even bother reading this thread at all?

And that was just this one event that we have picked up on so far. Not one feminist was behaving in anything similar in fashion or intent.

Very happy to post you all the historic event footage where protestors supporting trans rights behave in similar ways at women's rights rallies or where women are marching simply carrying placards about women's rights?

However, for you to declare that this is not representative seems to be rather an uninformed view. For you to then post a biased article about the neo - nazi group which had no connection to the feminists at that event in 2023 makes your article irrelevant in proving your point. That group was not one of the feminist groups at the event. That is a glaring inconsistency in your logic.

You know, I think that it's fair enough to consider it a literary reference and not racist, but I do believe the id pol acolytes, were it a differernt literary reference describing people with non-white shades of skin, would absolutely consider it racist.

That male protestor seems to be directly linked to the trans rights protestors.

Plus, that male protestors behaviour seems to have been replicated by other male protestors who seem to identify themselves as trans rights protestors.

Plus those male protestors actions have been replicated by many other trans rights protestors in multiple countries. Australia, New Zealand, UK, USA, and France. In France male trans protestor lit a flare and waved it very close to the bodies of lesbians who disagreed with that male trans protestor.

Now, could you clarify again the point you are trying to make please, between the comparison of a group or groups that have NO connect to feminists being held to be 'aligned' with those feminists, and a male protestor's behaviour who was there with the trans rights protest? Because your point doesn't seem to fit what you are trying to say. Or , can you provide the evidence that the male protestor is not a trans rights protestor?

Again. You seem to be trying to hold feminists responsible for group's behaviours who are NOT there as feminists at the rally, while declaring that a male protestor who WAS part of the protest movement shouldn't be held as anyway indicative of the group's established behaviour. Despite the huge mound of evidence that shows that this type of behaviour has become common place where groups are protesting women speaking.

Would you like me to post all the events where this type of violence and intimidation has occurred towards either the police protecting the women, or towards the women? I can. And others will join me I am sure.

Yes I can clarify this.

My point was in response to the OP suggesting that the pathetic actions of this individual in the video were somehow representative of an entire movement of people.

I would suggest it would be the posting in the 'spirit' guideline that would be broken.

If you haven't come across it, be sure to look it up.

I am going to ask you to clarify what you mean here.

Or again, should I just reply 'sure'. Do you see how that works?

no bloody clue.

And which part of the Talk Guidelines will that have breached, then?

If you write “”Sure” as a response to every question you will absolutely get a warning!

Why would I get a warning from MNHQ? I try to remain factual and accurate at all times and I also remain within the 'in the spirit' posting guidelines too because the reality is that posting otherwise doesn't achieve much and is probably best described as 'fuckwittery'.

I have to I wish I had used this line at the start of the thread but switched out the groups. That wss my point tnst you articulated far better than I.

There seems to be some overly simplistic thinking behind associating a person or even multiple people attending a women's rights rally as being only ever 'aligned' with those women.

You can if you want to get a warning from MN 🤣

apologies, I missed that part where you said that and I agree

Should I then declare that you haven't asked appropriately?

What part of 'they wanted to antagonise the groups protesting' did you miss from my long post?

Or should I just say 'sure'. is that how it works?

Can you please also explain how women can lawfully prevent any one from attending an open air event that is not ticketed and is advertised as being open to the public and that any female person who wishes to speak can speak? Either in the UK or Australia or the USA?

Would you like to explain how this can be done? Considering that most people who come to just listen don't have any intention of causing harm and are just there to listen.

Would you also then like to explain why people who don't agree with people speaking either fully or partially, but who are not interrupting in any way would be unwelcome or excluded from such an event anyway? There seems to be this very unreal belief that someone going and listening to women speak must support those women's opinions.

There seems to be some overly simplistic thinking behind associating a person or even multiple people attending a women's rights rally as being only ever 'aligned' with those women.

Gosh.... imagine attending an event where you disagreed in part or fully with the speakers just to hear what they said. So that you could make your own judgement on what they say, or you know, get a greater depth of understanding about that group, what they believe and what their aims are .... Blimey.

I would say it's exactly that. People with concerns about gender ideology can come from any point on the political spectrum. People who like getting into fights, ditto. Yobs of all kinds flock to protests like flies to a turd.

Why do you think they are attracted to the events? Is it because they know there’s normally counter protest and its an opportunity to cause trouble?

My, I want to post that popcorn eating meme round about now but must restrain myself.

So, in 2023 some of us went through and analysed the footage of this. Again, I would suggest that before you plop down articles that you feel highlights something relevant to the thread, that you do some research.

We KNOW that the neo nazi group were not there to support women's rights. They even admitted it themselves that they disagreed with the women. They were there to antagonise the groups who were protesting the women's rally. They spent the majority of their time down the end of the street with ANTIFA and the Victoria Socialist party supporters. I am very happy to go back and find the timings that we gathered about that event and how little time they spent anywhere near the women.

By the way. Even when they were near the women, they were not at all interested in what the women were doing or saying. They were fully facing the trans rights activists and antagonising them. Directly. They even unfurled a banner directly infront of those trans rights activists.

But please, feel free to tell us all about how the neo-nazis were in any way connected with the women's rights campaigners.

Because all you seem to have is some sort of guilt by association claim and that is based on no evidence except that some people were in the same area as someone else. That is partly why three women are taking the leader of the Victorian opposition to court, each separately, for his comments and actions about that same group of neo nazis.

And while you are at it, maybe tell us why the fuck the police let those neo-nazis into the area? Because no one has explained why or how the police did this except that one of the group has a father in the Victorian Police force based in Melbourne.

Can you please tell us which GC feminist groups were at the same drag protests (or any actually) with the group you mention? Please be specific.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/19/daniel-andrews-says-nazis-arent-welcome-as-victorian-government-considers-further-action-following-salutes

What do you think the appeal is for them? I don’t for one second believe they have women’s rights in mind.

i recall Turning Point UK co-opting a few anti drag protests last year too.

Not warm or deep enough as I've heard on mumsnet. (Sorry - cannot remember who said it , but if if it allows us owners to reclaim the word I'm for it).

Would you like to clarify why you posted that link earlier in the thread?

Would you also then explain what far right groups you are talking about who 'attend' feminist protests?

What are your thoughts on far right groups attending GC feminist protests?

Yeah that horse looks completely chill. TRA could wear himself out banging his cymbal all day. Horse will doze dreaming of what it will have for tea when it gets home.

Wish I could be as chill in the face of such intimidation, be as the horse… 🐴