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If you're a man, whatever you feel is what it feels like to be a man

112 replies

literalviolence · 22/03/2024 10:40

No? Everything else is a logical fallacy. So there's no such thing as a man 'feeling like a woman' - they are in fact feeling like a man. There's no need for all men to feel the same.

OP posts:
WickedSerious · 23/03/2024 09:27

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2024 11:58

Last interview with Jamie:

'“We now live in a country where there is greater clarity on the movement of a packet of beef around the UK than there is for a trans person with a GRC. This situation risks exposing all of us as ridiculous”'

😬

Talk about late to the party.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/03/2024 08:57

'A mortgage company is interested in how many years you're likely to be alive, it doesn't matter what age it says'.

Hmm. If only there were some sort of analogy for that situation, in which reality matters more than a statement of feelings or something written on a piece of paper.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 08:25

MaybeRevisitYourWipingT3chnique · 23/03/2024 01:20

One man telling another man that he's not a man

Kind of reminds me of this, in a way:

Thanks. This one needs to be on repeat.

mach2 · 23/03/2024 05:51

It doesn't feel like anything to be a man - like others have said, one just is. There is cultural stuff attached to it and, in general, certain physical advantages, but that's it.

MaybeRevisitYourWipingT3chnique · 23/03/2024 01:23

For those who are struggling to understand the complexity of how a man can legitimately feel like a woman, this short documentary may well help you a lot:

Father Ted | Spiderbaby

Father Ted - Spiderbaby Subscribe for more: http://bit.ly/hattricksubFather Dougal is excited about Craggy Island hosting Fun Land, a fun fair to which Douga...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xkOBvcAO1o

viques · 23/03/2024 01:06

The strange thing is how so many seem to think that wearing a dress will prove that they are a woman. A fancy dress is just that, a fancy dress outfit. Dressing up as Long John Silver doesn’t make you a pirate, and cutting off your leg doesn’t make you a better pirate because, shock news, you weren’t a pirate in the first place.

JamSandle · 23/03/2024 00:08

I agree OP.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/03/2024 00:05

negeme · 22/03/2024 12:42

About 'waking up tomorrow in a male body'.

Of course, if you're a woman, it isn't possible for you to wake up tomorrow in a male body.

But this impossibility isn't just empirical or scientific: it isn't just that, as it were, science isn't sufficiently advanced yet, but that one day it might happen. No: the impossibility is logical. Whatever advances are made by science and technology, it could never be possible.

Why so? -Because nothing would count as you - a woman - waking up in a man's body. Whoever that is, there under the duvet, waking in a man's body (that man, in other words), it cannot - could not - be you, because you are a woman.

Human beings are essentially embodied. And individuals humans are related essentially to their individual physical bodies.

Say it again: if you are a woman, no matter who it is waking up tomorrow with a male body, it cannot - and could not - be you.

[--Even René Descartes, for all his mind/body dualism, was aware of this. "I am not merely present in my body as a sailor is present in a ship," he said, "... I and the body form a unit." (See his Meditation VI ... you may find his reasons interesting, too ...)

--And (just one more 'even' ...) even Christian belief, as expressed for instance in the Creed, requires "The Resurrection of the Body" at the end of life on earth. -Why? Because without your body (yes, that physical thing!), it wouldn't be you enjoying the advantages of Paradise (it wouldn't actually be anything ... but that's maybe enough metaphysics ...)]

[Just to be clear ... I am neither Cartesian nor Christian. Just I want to put to rest the nonsense about 'born/waking-up in the wrong body' and to point out the independence of its nonsensicality from denial of dualism or even of immortality.]

If you ever have a spare month or two (and haven't done so already) you might enjoy.diving down the doctrinal rabbit hole of what exactly it is that gets reincarnated in Buddhism.

bluesatin · 22/03/2024 23:44

@VenetiaHallisWellPosh said
"I mean, as a woman with a vagina, I am disadvantaged socially, legally and financially."
As an older woman I seethe about the differences in treatment - job opportunities, social expectations etc. I experienced when younger - and still today. But this is nothing compared to the appalling degredation that women in other countries experience. Can someone explain to me why we aren't attempting to help women around the world arm themselves, annihilate the male bullies that are in power and bring some sanity to the world?

songaboutjam · 22/03/2024 21:13

Oh oh oh but you don't know their chromosomes!

A TRA friend once told me with supreme confidence that XX people have been known to impregnate XY people and that's why the Forstater result was wrong.

OkPedro · 22/03/2024 19:58

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 22/03/2024 10:41

Exactly. In the words of Dr Julia Long (I think), if a person has a penis he’s a man. That’s all there is to it, and whether he’s altered or removed it is irrelevant.

Oh oh oh but you don't know their chromosomes! they could be intersex! I once heard about a person who was born without any genitals so that means they are neither male or female
And on and on and on 🥱

IcakethereforeIam · 22/03/2024 19:28

Oh look!

Angry Natural World GIF by BBC Earth
EnglishLady02 · 22/03/2024 19:20

IcakethereforeIam · 22/03/2024 10:48

At best I suppose a man who feels like a woman is in fact a man who think he feels like a woman. But he is still and will always be a man.

Well, there's a lot of women out there constantly saying "men are not afraid of this... " men don't have to worry about that..." as if they know everything about the experience of the opposite gender.

Boiledbeetle · 22/03/2024 17:35

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2024 16:09

It's fine. Here's the Easter bunny. The big secret is there are two of them, that's all.

oh thank God

2 you said. Are you sure? There seems to be four now!

But you know what they say about bunnies!

Sad Bunny GIF by Peter Rabbit Movie
Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 16:10

It's a fair cop. I'm truthing in ways that are wrecking people's happy fantasies. <holds out wrists> I'll come quietly while I speed dial Ben's wren.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2024 16:09

It's fine. Here's the Easter bunny. The big secret is there are two of them, that's all.

Bunny GIF
TheCadoganArms · 22/03/2024 16:02

Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 10:58

I'm really sorry, but we need a little chat about the Easter Bunny too. You may need wine.

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The Office Reaction GIF
Boiledbeetle · 22/03/2024 15:26

Froodwithatowel · 22/03/2024 10:58

I'm really sorry, but we need a little chat about the Easter Bunny too. You may need wine.

I do not want to know about the Easter Bunny.

The Easter Bunny lives!!!!!!!

🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇🐇

La La La GIF by Isola dei Famosi
Helleofabore · 22/03/2024 15:15

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 22/03/2024 15:01

Beer please, if that’s convenient. Got to stick to the stereotypes, or I’ll have to start identifying as a woman.

Well then.... I will have to go and ask my husband about beer.... 😉

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 22/03/2024 15:01

Helleofabore · 22/03/2024 14:00

Would you like a glass of rose or red wine (I have both ... not in the same glass obvs)? Would that help?

Edited

Beer please, if that’s convenient. Got to stick to the stereotypes, or I’ll have to start identifying as a woman.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 22/03/2024 14:36

Twitter assumed my work account was male because I have a techy job.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2024 14:31

GrumpyPanda · 22/03/2024 12:06

I've been a man on Facebook almost since the start. Messes with their advertising algorithms.

Facebook thinks I'm a male born in 1950.

This may prove interesting if I am long lived.

Binglebong · 22/03/2024 14:18

Ditto. Also a reduction I romance frauds and if I day something it doesn't get shouted down in the same way as an obvious woman would.

I am very careful when replying in to women though as I know saying something as a women (eg "that fit is great and enhances your figure") can come over one way from a female but appears creepy or lecherous from a man.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2024 14:00

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 22/03/2024 12:15

Unfortunately I can’t explain it at all. We can’t decide “who we are” physically - we are what we are, or we artificially alter what we are, and become … what we always were, but altered artificially. I have had to have surgery to make part of me function again following an accident, which makes me what I was before the accident but with a little weakness and scarring. That is now part of my “identity”, and I have to live with the fact that it has left me very slightly disabled.

Hormone treatment and “sex reassignment” surgery can only make someone an artificially altered version of what they always were. At one time, I thought that perhaps this could give someone characteristics equivalent to those of some people with DSDs, but now I’m uncomfortable with that framing. But, like people with a DSD, they remain one sex or the other; they are only cosmetically altered.

Sorry, I have probably fallen into mansplaining mode, albeit in a gender critical way!

Would you like a glass of rose or red wine (I have both ... not in the same glass obvs)? Would that help?

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