If you're a man, whatever you feel is what it feels like to be a man

I also like strong tea with a bit of cow juice, but with honey....gotta push those tea boundaries.

My pronouns are ooh/lovely.

Is it a kink to dunk my hobnobs?

It mixes the biscuit and tea gender. A rather delicious blending of the two.

🤔 Yorkshire tea gender, but identifies as a biscuit. Yes, that is ideologically coherent. Approved.

Instead of burning would you mind terribly if I was dunked quite a few times then had the life squeezed out of me?

I'd have to be Yorkshire Tea gender
Pronouns
Strong/milk/one sugar

Herbalphobia! Burn the tannin-riddled witch!

On another thread there's a clip of a young woman who thinks she has a male brain. Having queued (cued?) up her audience, she's chastising a young, male shelf stacker demanding to know where the male tampons are. The packet of tampons, that she literally flung at the guy, don't have the word 'woman' on them but they do have pink! But apparently it's GC women who are obsessed with stereotypes.

Also Timotei is great for getting seagull shit out of white cotton. Who knew 🤯

It is all about targeted advertising isn't it. I enjoy playing that Chronophoto game, and it's fascinating and depressing (and also sometimes helpful in working out the year) seeing how un-pink, un-long-haired girls were until very recently.

I am getting through gallons of conditioner and I've wiped out all the intertidal life along several hundred metres of coastline. But the rocks have come up lovely👍

Pronouns Procter/Gambel

I'd have to be Yorkshire Tea gender
Pronouns
Strong/milk/one sugar

Washing your hair in rock pools isn't a good long term strategy for hair care TBF...what would your pronouns be?

I fancy being the girl in the relaxing tea advert who snuggles up under that pretty duvet.

I'm going to be Timotei gender. I'll spend my life wandering along beaches barefoot, clad in white broderie anglaise frocks and washing my hair in rock pools.

I briefly considered Flake gender but I don't want to get wrinkly from all that bathing and, honestly, who can afford to heat so much water.

I started writing a post imagining a world where we classified sex by preferred advertising target market. It was so absurd it wasn't even funny, so I deleted it.

And that is the world transactivism appears to occupy. 'I like [insert load of stereotype stuff that I personally have no truck with] therefore I am a woman'.

So you're telling me that as a woman I have to like that stuff? Or you're telling me I'm not a woman as I don't like that stuff? And then they generally drop the first 'therefore' and revert to 'I feel I am therefore I am woman'. Which is actually the same thing, because that feeling is based on something, and that something isn't growing up in a female body because they didn't.

This is so interesting. I can't imagine feeling as if I'm a man in any other way other than due to the body I'd be in. All the confidence at work, caution around women, security to walk in the dark/alone in the park etc, all of it stems from being inside a male body. Being another man like the men at work, the men on building sites, the men in the park etc. Or being conscious of how my presence could make women feel in certain situations etc.
I can't even imagine feeling like a man cos there's no such thing!! You either are or are not a man, and your feelings are unique to yourself!
Such a weird concept how on earth has it been normalised to this state now?!
It'll be a case study for future generations in the same way mass social buy-in to Nazism is a psychological phenomenon to be studied and learned from.

Marketing? Marketing does not dictate the meaning of words.

Woman is the word that specifies an adult human female, just as girl is the word that specifies a juvenile human female.

An ad marketed at women and therefore designed around stereotypes perceived as feminine does not redefine the meaning of the word woman. If the stereotypes in that ad appeal to a girl, it does not make her an adult; if they appeal to a man, it does not make him a woman.

That's not sex. That's gender.

Not in the sense of gender identity, but in the older sense of socially imposed roles, stereotypes and expectations. The stereotypes and limitations that gender critical people are critical of, and that gender identitarians wish to impose rigidly on everyone.

We all need to look after our verbs, never mind our pronouns.

Being female, and a woman (or male and a man for that matter) is something that you are, not something that you can have, or 'experience' as someone not of that class.

It is state of being, and that's the end of it.

@spookehtooth
FVF women's festival 2022
Elaine Miller

Thank you for sharing this so eloquently- this is the crux of what this whole fucking mess is about.

I have seen so many I can't tell you without googling all..you could listen to any of her talks and be better informed about the physical issues of transition.

Have a Google, it was a guest speaker slot rather than a fringe show.

@quantumbutterfly where is that Elaine miller talk? I tried googling but not finding it

I didn't say anything about epigenetics as a means by which someone might change sex 🤔It was in the context of people having definitions of sex going beyond biology, Its a rabbit hole I've only just considered so I don't have anything particular to say about it right now. I've only learnt enough to begin wondering

Epigenetics is fascinating but you'd need a rearrangement of your genome to change sex, not just a bit of methylation surely?

Then you might consider mosaicism. Which cells could you effectively change?

One of Elaine Miller's talks touches on dementia sufferers waking up in unfamiliar bodies after sex change ops.

They don't forget their sexuality but they forget they felt like the opposite biological sex, thought provoking.

Experience.

You look at anything marketed primarily at a woman or a man, why is that? Because their definition of a woman goes beyond biology.

Go further, exploring stories, films and other things and you find people have a range of different beliefs.

Onwards into comedy, where you look at characterisations of men and women, asking yourself "why" things are funny and you'll find at the root is beliefs about men and women.

Then there's insults which reference a different sex to that of the person they're targeted at.

Hence what I said about peoples definitions involving more than just biology, and what follows that is people trying to come up with explanations to make sense of that when their model doesn't work. It's more than just people who believe in gender identity doing this. If we lived in a world where everyone only thought of sex as biology, I couldn't imagine the idea of gender identity emerging