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Woke change to England flag.

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:12

Surely flags are flags but no Nike did a 'playful update' adding trans colours to the England football kit.

Imagine changing the flag of others countries!

What is it with companies like Nike that they have to push trans down everyone's throats.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 13:12

Yes @TathingScinsel I've cross posted with you as took me longer to compose my post!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 13:11

I imagine that the whole article documents the history of the "progress pride flag" and what they are talking about there is the rainbow flag, but that clipped bit of text that describes the article falsely (by design or otherwise) suggests that the "progress pride flag" is something with a long history rather than an ugly makeover of a classic civil rights symbol. Which doesn't grasp the point of the rainbow as including everyone.

Brefugee · 22/03/2024 13:10

for all the "it doesn't matter, it's only a piece of cloth" are you England football fans? do you buy the kits? Are you interested at all in football?

Colours for sports people who follow a team are really important. Hence the absolute howls of outrage at the new German away strip for the Euros (which is magenta, like their sponsor)

Isitovernow123 · 22/03/2024 13:10

Imagine the outrage if smoke had changed the colours of the Stars and Stripe!

I also don’t think it’s a woke thing, just someone who is either thick as shit or done deliberately against the flag of St George.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 13:08

Actually, TBF the BBC were probs referring to the 🏳️‍🌈 and Google condensed the text for the old flag with the illustration for the new flag. I’ll go find the whole article.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 13:07

There was no widespread use of the term LGBT either. It was "the gay community" "gay rights". Sometimes LGB. My red brick university had recently changed to have an "LGBsoc" when I started there in the late 90s.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 13:06

Blame the BBC for that corker! The addition of the purple circle seems about a week old but then time IS speeding up as I age.

Is it Xmas again already?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/03/2024 13:05

The "progress pride" flag has been in use about 5 minutes! Not "since the 1990s".

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 13:04

Combattingthemoaners · 22/03/2024 12:59

It looks absolutely nothing like the rainbow flag.

Not the classic Rainbow, no, but it does have a whiff of the newer Progress flag about it.

The 🏳️‍🌈 is much more aesthetic (as the kids are wont to say) than the progress flag, which is an ugly mishmash of a variety of other concepts and flags.

Woke change to England flag.
EasternStandard · 22/03/2024 13:04

oldwhyno · 22/03/2024 12:56

the colour is awful. purple is the quintessential "blended" colour in graphic design, which is why they've used it. and the side panels are horribly bad. like a bad 80's sofa.

it's all blatantly rainbow flag inspired DEI rubbish, and we all know whose the single biggest voice in that movement is.

Those side panels my goodness and the purple

It looks like a DEI briefing to me

Dontcallmescarface · 22/03/2024 13:03

All this drama over a teeny tiny bit of cloth positioned where no-body will be able to see it, is ridiculous. It's not as if's not as if that "flag" has been hoisted above Buckingham Palace, it's on the back of a football shirt ffs. Some people really need to get a grip.

JSMill · 22/03/2024 13:02

It's interesting that the German national team is using Nike. I'd read a lot of players are ditching Nike for other brands.

Combattingthemoaners · 22/03/2024 13:02

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 12:58

I’d love to be a fly on the wall if Barton is ever in the same room as the England Women.

I like to imagine a collective Paddington Stare with the energy of a furious sun.

Haha he is pathetic. Like a teenage boy with a bruised ego whose only default criticism is “lesbian!!” Every time he sees a woman playing football.

Brefugee · 22/03/2024 12:59

IDK. I only have one England shirt and it has a red cross embroidered on it. That seems sensible for a shirt for a team representing the country?
The German shirt i have also has the Black, Red, Gold colours on. And the German Eagle which is their emblem - a quick look tells me the eagle (same design every time) is used on all shirts, but not always the colours especially the away shirts.

What about Scotland - do they put their colours on the shirts? The USA? tbh I'm only really interested in club football so i don't really care (the new England ones are ugly tho)

People on Twitter saying "but the 2012 Olympic gear was different shades of a blue Union Flag and nobody complained about that." except that Stella McCartney got absolutely ROASTED for it.

Combattingthemoaners · 22/03/2024 12:59

oldwhyno · 22/03/2024 12:56

the colour is awful. purple is the quintessential "blended" colour in graphic design, which is why they've used it. and the side panels are horribly bad. like a bad 80's sofa.

it's all blatantly rainbow flag inspired DEI rubbish, and we all know whose the single biggest voice in that movement is.

It looks absolutely nothing like the rainbow flag.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 12:58

I’d love to be a fly on the wall if Barton is ever in the same room as the England Women.

I like to imagine a collective Paddington Stare with the energy of a furious sun.

Paddington Bear GIF by The 94th Annual Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade
DaBlackCatsAreDaBestCats · 22/03/2024 12:57

Leave. Our. Flag. Alone.

oldwhyno · 22/03/2024 12:56

Myalternate · 22/03/2024 12:49

I quite like the colour of the shirts but don’t like the side panels at all…

https://www.footyheadlines.com/2023/08/nike-england-euro-2024-away-kit-prediction-based-on-colors.html

the colour is awful. purple is the quintessential "blended" colour in graphic design, which is why they've used it. and the side panels are horribly bad. like a bad 80's sofa.

it's all blatantly rainbow flag inspired DEI rubbish, and we all know whose the single biggest voice in that movement is.

Combattingthemoaners · 22/03/2024 12:54

I have found this lovely quote by Joey Barton though: “Trying to sneak that Woke, Gay communist nonsense onto the England national team jersey. It’ll be to appease all of the lesbians who play for the @Lionesses.”

It sounds like the start of a terrible right wing joke….a woke, a gay and a communist walk into a bar. What an idiot that man is!

The out LGBTQ+ England Lionesses playing in the 2023 Women's World Cup final

Several England Lionesses will still be scoring one for LGBTQ visibility in football during the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/20/lgbt-england-lionesses-football-world-cup/

crunchermuncher · 22/03/2024 12:54

"Why does everything have to have meaning"

Because nobody spunks thousands on design for 'no reason'.

Flags have meaning. They are political by their very nature.

If it literally was just a bit of old fabric, no one would care.

Also, there are some very rude posters out today, I feel like I've wandered onto AIBU.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 12:54

My eyes!

’So team, we’re looking for an innovative way to combine maroon, olive, off white and turquoise to use up the fabric dye overstock of unpopular shades, inexplicably bought in bulk by Sebastian when we were all working from home in 2020, what have you got for me?’

Woke change to England flag.
Combattingthemoaners · 22/03/2024 12:51

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 12:46

I haven’t found any comment from
Nike directly. Not keen on ‘mixing reds and blues of the past’ to make purple (very UKIP! 😆) but it’s good to read that after athlete feedback they have changed the shape of the women’s kit (more room at bust, hip and bicep): https://www.englandfootball.com/articles/2024/Mar/18/england-mens-womens-para-new-nike-kits-revealed-for-2024-20241803

I’d say it’s because no such comment exists linking the flag to any community- it has been made up by the right. Why does everything have to have a meaning? Why can’t they just say purple looked aesthetically pleasing? Haha. I like the kits! They’re extortionate prices though. Also pleased they listened to the female players.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 12:49

I’ve just done a ‘search on page’ of the England press release and nowhere does it mention ‘flag’ ‘cross’ or ‘St George’. It seems odd that it’s been omitted, especially as changing a national flag is actually a big deal (but not totally off limits if you have a reason for it).