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Woke change to England flag.

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:12

Surely flags are flags but no Nike did a 'playful update' adding trans colours to the England football kit.

Imagine changing the flag of others countries!

What is it with companies like Nike that they have to push trans down everyone's throats.

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AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 18:25

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 18:15

But the designs were on the national team kit too, around the shoulder area.

You keep posting the 2012-13 strip. This one is 2011-12, which the multi-coloured crosses around the shoulder area

https://cdn.freewebstore.com/resize/823342/23236c682c434923a223000de14f28e9.jpeg/300/300/0/?bg=ffffff

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And just to confirm it was an actual kit that England played in, here:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/JB8R95/jack-wilshere-emmanuel-agyem-england-v-ghana-wembley-stadium-london-JB8R95.jpg

(You probably need to zoom a little but the multi coloured crosses are visible).

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 18:24

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 18:15

But the designs were on the national team kit too, around the shoulder area.

You keep posting the 2012-13 strip. This one is 2011-12, which the multi-coloured crosses around the shoulder area

https://cdn.freewebstore.com/resize/823342/23236c682c434923a223000de14f28e9.jpeg/300/300/0/?bg=ffffff

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I posted a link to the 2011 football kits archive.

However, I do admit that even using the official archive link I was unable to identify these tiny blobs as coloured crosses!

They were definitely controversial in 2011 tho, ‘They fucking hated it’

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Peetra · 22/03/2024 18:16

Maddy70 · 22/03/2024 17:22

The flag is always being messed with. Adding text and symbols
Its a design

I really can't get worked up about it.

You sound triggered 🤣

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 18:15

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 18:06

Saville’s multiple little coloured crosses were ‘exclusively available at Harvey Nichols’, rather than part of a national team kit:

https://hypebeast.com/2011/2/umbro-modern-england-collection-by-peter-saville

They were supposed to piss people off, and they did (which is fine, British fashion has a rich history of being provacative)

Bit weird for 2024 commentators to rewrite history, declaring no one was bothered in 2011 (nor for the 2012 Olympics) because clearly they were bothered.

To quote Saville himself, ‘They fucking hated it’.

But the designs were on the national team kit too, around the shoulder area.

You keep posting the 2012-13 strip. This one is 2011-12, which the multi-coloured crosses around the shoulder area

https://cdn.freewebstore.com/resize/823342/23236c682c434923a223000de14f28e9.jpeg/300/300/0/?bg=ffffff

https://cdn.freewebstore.com/resize/823342/23236c682c434923a223000de14f28e9.jpeg/300/300/0/?bg=ffffff

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 18:06

Saville’s multiple little coloured crosses were ‘exclusively available at Harvey Nichols’, rather than part of a national team kit:

https://hypebeast.com/2011/2/umbro-modern-england-collection-by-peter-saville

They were supposed to piss people off, and they did (which is fine, British fashion has a rich history of being provacative)

Bit weird for 2024 commentators to rewrite history, declaring no one was bothered in 2011 (nor for the 2012 Olympics) because clearly they were bothered.

To quote Saville himself, ‘They fucking hated it’.

Umbro Modern England Collection by Peter Saville

Umbro Modern England Collection by Peter Saville

The Umbro Modern England Collection represents a new lifestyle initiative from one of England's

https://hypebeast.com/2011/2/umbro-modern-england-collection-by-peter-saville

Boiledbeetle · 22/03/2024 18:05

I will say the way they've done it it reminds me of the signs you see outside pharmacies more than the England flag

PurpleBugz · 22/03/2024 18:03

I don't really care why they changed it. You just can't change another countries flag.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 18:00

Here’s a quote re: the 2011 kit, from an interview with the designer:

https://amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/sep/08/peter-saville-uks-famous-graphic-designer

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TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:58

KnickerlessParsons · 22/03/2024 17:55

found it! It’s the collar on the 2011 away kit and it’s also an ugly design that is unrecognisable as a St George’s cross (but at least it’s still in the recognisable England colour palette of red/white/blue)

Aren't England's colours red and white?

Red, white and blue are the colours of the U.K. flag, not England's.

Flag yes, kit no.

Home kit is red and away kit is blue but for some unfathomable reason they’ve mixed the two colours into an ugly purple for this new away kit.

KnickerlessParsons · 22/03/2024 17:55

found it! It’s the collar on the 2011 away kit and it’s also an ugly design that is unrecognisable as a St George’s cross (but at least it’s still in the recognisable England colour palette of red/white/blue)

Aren't England's colours red and white?

Red, white and blue are the colours of the U.K. flag, not England's.

Boiledbeetle · 22/03/2024 17:48

The England flag you say? Meh I'm Scottish I don't give a fuck about the English flag!

<Turns and runs>

<stops to catch breath and say>

But if they come for Scotland's flag I won't be happy.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:42

2011 was not nearly as ugly as this, mind you:

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TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:41

found it! It’s the collar on the 2011 away kit and it’s also an ugly design that is unrecognisable as a St George’s cross (but at least it’s still in the recognisable England colour palette of red/white/blue)

https://www.footballkitarchive.com/england-2011-away-kit/

I would deffo have complained about this in 2011 but wasn’t online much as that was the year I got my first smartphone.

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PaperWalkAndTalk · 22/03/2024 17:38

I don't believe Nike purposely did this to add in GenderFluid colours, but today people are aware of companies doing the rainbow thing to all sorts of logos and are getting fed up with it.

This is the straw that broke the camel's back.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:31

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 17:21

That’s the 2012-2013 strip, I mean 2011-2012.

And I’ve already posted an article that contains images of it.

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This one?

https://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/2012/03/13/england-2012-home-kit-review/

Some annoyance at the lack of blue but no St George’s flag?

England 2012 Home Kit Review – True Colours Football Kits

https://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/2012/03/13/england-2012-home-kit-review/

TeabySea · 22/03/2024 17:30

I understood the colours were those of a previous year's training strip. Nothing to do with any sex or gender matters.

OvaHere · 22/03/2024 17:28

Why is this thread in FWR?

Meadowfinch · 22/03/2024 17:28

It's nothing to do with England or the cross of St George. It looks like a liquorice allsort gone wrong.

From a marketing point of view, It's up there with the disastrous rebranding of British Airways tail fins in 1997.

I forecast it will be quietly dumped and replaced by the real flag. I give it three weeks. 😁

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:25

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 17:21

That’s the 2012-2013 strip, I mean 2011-2012.

And I’ve already posted an article that contains images of it.

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I seem to have missed it! Off to try and find it now (although I actually posted two different years already).

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:24

StaunchMomma · 22/03/2024 17:19

The colours are supposed to be a nod to the shirt worn by the 1966 World Cup winning squad, isn't it? That's was the FA have said.

Where has all this 'trans' stuff come from? Some right-wing loon like Joey bloody Barton?

I couldn't get angry about this for a second.

No pink or purple cross on the 66 training kit either - the FA quote seems to refer to the stripes?

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Maddy70 · 22/03/2024 17:22

The flag is always being messed with. Adding text and symbols
Its a design

I really can't get worked up about it.

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 17:21

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:20

Did it?

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That’s the 2012-2013 strip, I mean 2011-2012.

And I’ve already posted an article that contains images of it.

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:20

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 15:38

The 2012 England kit also had the cross in a variety of different colours and no-one batted an eyelid.

People have become a lot more fragile in the last 10 years or so, I guess.

Did it?

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StaunchMomma · 22/03/2024 17:19

The colours are supposed to be a nod to the shirt worn by the 1966 World Cup winning squad, isn't it? That's was the FA have said.

Where has all this 'trans' stuff come from? Some right-wing loon like Joey bloody Barton?

I couldn't get angry about this for a second.

AzureNewt · 22/03/2024 16:45

Is this massively different to how the Conservative Party in Scotland “playfully work“ St Andrew’s cross in their logo?