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Woke change to England flag.

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:12

Surely flags are flags but no Nike did a 'playful update' adding trans colours to the England football kit.

Imagine changing the flag of others countries!

What is it with companies like Nike that they have to push trans down everyone's throats.

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MagpiePi · 22/03/2024 09:43

Is DM Dylan Mulvaney?

I don't understand how changing a flag is supposed to unite and inspire. Surely the flag as it is already does the uniting and inspiring?

Underthinker · 22/03/2024 09:43

BestZebbie · 22/03/2024 09:28

Tbf, the England flag is about as unwoke an item as you can get in the modern age, given it derives directly from the flags of the Crusaders at Acre. I'd be fine with the whole thing changing to another colour (though I'd probably select colours that represented something about the country as a whole, like blue for the sea around it etc)

The Finnish may have something to say about that :)

EasternStandard · 22/03/2024 09:42

I’ve no idea why the colours are as they are beyond ‘unite and inspire’ but they’ve got it wrong

Some won’t care at all, but people who care about football probably will hence the backlash

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:42

JSMill · 22/03/2024 09:39

I dislike DM and everything they stand for but I really dont get the drama over a flag
Good for you. My dcs always like to buy the England shirts for the big tournaments ie they are actual potential customers and they don't want a shirt with that stupid flag. They aren't even English btw!

What's DM, you're the second person who says they dislike DM, what do you mean?

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:41

yetanotherusernameAgain · 22/03/2024 09:36

OP made a (tenuous) connection with transgenderisim.

I heard about it on the radio before seeing the picture. I actually like the logo but let's face it, it's so far removed from what the St George's flag looks like, it can't be said to be an updated version of it.

Let's walk this through:

St George's flag: single-colour red vertical/horizontal cross on a white rectangular background.

Nike's logo for England shirt: no rectangular or coloured background at all; a cross made up of three stripes on each, spur with a total of 6 different colours; the four spurs meeting in the middle in a triangular junction.

If you saw it anywhere other than an England-themed article, you wouldn't associate with the St George's Cross. The real issue is that it isn't the St George's flag at all, although according to the radio item it hasn't always been the case that the flag was included on the football strip - that's a fairly recent introduction.

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Perhaps because it was Nike who said its to 'unite and inspire'. Unite and inspire whom.

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JSMill · 22/03/2024 09:39

I dislike DM and everything they stand for but I really dont get the drama over a flag
Good for you. My dcs always like to buy the England shirts for the big tournaments ie they are actual potential customers and they don't want a shirt with that stupid flag. They aren't even English btw!

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:38

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:24

Its a piece of material thats all. Lets not get hysterical about a piece of material or we will end up saluting it every morning in school like soem places is The US do.
I dislike DM and everything they stand for but I really dont get the drama over a flag

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Dislike DM? What's DM?

We don't salute it. It's a flag that represents a team at a sporting competition, in this case football. No one's getting hysterical, people have views and can express them.

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Zodfa · 22/03/2024 09:37

It looks vaguely reminiscent of the trans flag to those of us who are overexposed to such things, but in reality it's just some colours in stripes and it's probably too much to assign it some kind of covert political meaning.

Changing the colour of the flag as part of the kit design, whilst odd in my opinion, is not a new thing: see https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/1771076773691703414, https://twitter.com/tbolt87/status/1771077464426475887.

https://twitter.com/AgainstLeague3/status/1771076773691703414

yetanotherusernameAgain · 22/03/2024 09:36

CrossPurposes · 22/03/2024 09:26

What's this got to do with FWR?

OP made a (tenuous) connection with transgenderisim.

I heard about it on the radio before seeing the picture. I actually like the logo but let's face it, it's so far removed from what the St George's flag looks like, it can't be said to be an updated version of it.

Let's walk this through:

St George's flag: single-colour red vertical/horizontal cross on a white rectangular background.

Nike's logo for England shirt: no rectangular or coloured background at all; a cross made up of three stripes on each, spur with a total of 6 different colours; the four spurs meeting in the middle in a triangular junction.

If you saw it anywhere other than an England-themed article, you wouldn't associate with the St George's Cross. The real issue is that it isn't the St George's flag at all, although according to the radio item it hasn't always been the case that the flag was included on the football strip - that's a fairly recent introduction.

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:34

Purple is actually the colour of The Suffragettes I believe so a nod to Feminism

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:34

Gnarly · 22/03/2024 09:28

I don't see trans colours. I see navy, light blue and purple, and on the vertical line, red and pink.

Trans colours are pale pink, pale blue and white I believe.

They said they playfully mixed the colours in. So not a complete change but a blurring with the pink and pale blue to 'unite and inspire'.

It's strange changing colours on a country flag though especially when worn to represent the country at a sport. Not aware of any other flags not used as they are.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/03/2024 09:34

Gnarly · 22/03/2024 09:28

I don't see trans colours. I see navy, light blue and purple, and on the vertical line, red and pink.

Trans colours are pale pink, pale blue and white I believe.

Quite! I can’t see what this has to do with sex and gender

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 22/03/2024 09:30

Your average footie lad is not going to like this!

BackToLurk · 22/03/2024 09:30

Get more angry about 125 quid. For a T shirt!

BestZebbie · 22/03/2024 09:28

Tbf, the England flag is about as unwoke an item as you can get in the modern age, given it derives directly from the flags of the Crusaders at Acre. I'd be fine with the whole thing changing to another colour (though I'd probably select colours that represented something about the country as a whole, like blue for the sea around it etc)

Gnarly · 22/03/2024 09:28

I don't see trans colours. I see navy, light blue and purple, and on the vertical line, red and pink.

Trans colours are pale pink, pale blue and white I believe.

ResisterRex · 22/03/2024 09:28

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They've desecrated the flag. In certain-adjacent colours. We can all see it.

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:27

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Indeed. Even Nike said its to 'unite snd inspire'.

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CrossPurposes · 22/03/2024 09:26

What's this got to do with FWR?

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:25

OffToBedforshire · 22/03/2024 09:22

God, is this a flag shagger thread? It's just a fucking flag.

Thin end of the wedge, Political Correctness gone mad etc etc etc

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:24

JSMill · 22/03/2024 09:21

You don't alter a country's flag. That's shocking. They clearly don't understand what their customers want.

Yes it's strange of them to do it.

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BackToLurk · 22/03/2024 09:24

It's just a weird thing to do. It's weirder to suggest it was a nod to the 1966 training kit as it doesn't seem to have much of a connection. I don't think it's a 'woke' change though. It's just odd

Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2024 09:24

JSMill · 22/03/2024 09:21

You don't alter a country's flag. That's shocking. They clearly don't understand what their customers want.

Its a piece of material thats all. Lets not get hysterical about a piece of material or we will end up saluting it every morning in school like soem places is The US do.
I dislike DM and everything they stand for but I really dont get the drama over a flag

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:24

BackToLurk · 22/03/2024 09:19

Even Keir...

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-backs-calls-for-nike-to-scrap-new-england-football-kit-over-redesigned-st-george-cross-13099453

I know he thinks the standard England flag should be used for the team. Apparently Nike think the colours are a 'unifier'.

Imagine changing the Stars and Stripes colours or the Ireland Flag or other countries.

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