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Woke change to England flag.

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Careforcarers · 22/03/2024 09:12

Surely flags are flags but no Nike did a 'playful update' adding trans colours to the England football kit.

Imagine changing the flag of others countries!

What is it with companies like Nike that they have to push trans down everyone's throats.

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CurlewKate · 26/03/2024 16:43

I thought they were something to do with the 1966 England training kit! The trans colours are,bafflingly, pink and blue.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 26/03/2024 16:20

MorrisZapp · 22/03/2024 10:06

I can't comment on the St George's Cross as I'm Scottish, but if the FA or any sports manufacturer messed with the Saltire there would be a stooshie of epic proportion. We're not flag shaggers, we're proud Scots.

The SFA and Diadora released this in 2007, it was worn by players and fans alike for three years, and nobody batted an eyelid.

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AzureNewt · 25/03/2024 01:02

TathingScinsel · 24/03/2024 23:59

Wtf is a woke engine though? And what about the engine in the picture signifies it’s a woke engine and not just an engine?

I’m sure it’s possible to make a
similar image that does mock anti-woke-folk but there must be a better ladybird book to appropriate?

It’s as if someone tried to make a
leftwing version of this but didn’t understand how jokes work, so just cobbled together any old crap.

Geez.

So the whole point is that some people apply the “woke” label to each and every thing that they don’t like, regardless of whether it could reasonably be described as “woke”.

Hence the name of the book “Everything I don’t like is Woke”.

Most people would, presumably, realize that accusing an engine of being woke is ridiculous, which is why it’s actually a good choice of ladybird book cover, in terms of conveying the particular point.

TathingScinsel · 24/03/2024 23:59

AzureNewt · 24/03/2024 22:05

Some engines are fine, just not the woke ones.

Wtf is a woke engine though? And what about the engine in the picture signifies it’s a woke engine and not just an engine?

I’m sure it’s possible to make a
similar image that does mock anti-woke-folk but there must be a better ladybird book to appropriate?

It’s as if someone tried to make a
leftwing version of this but didn’t understand how jokes work, so just cobbled together any old crap.

Woke change to England flag.
AzureNewt · 24/03/2024 22:05

TathingScinsel · 24/03/2024 20:33

That’s a rubbish meme - who doesn’t like engines?

Some engines are fine, just not the woke ones.

AzureNewt · 24/03/2024 22:04

TheMarzipanDildo · 24/03/2024 20:40

Where did this rumour start? I mean it’s immediately obvious to anyone with google that those aren’t the trans colours.

Nuts, isn’t it?

The Telegraph provided a “helpful” diagram.

Apparently:

  • on the home kit, the horizontal axis looks somewhat similar to the bisexual flag (as in, it has 2 colours in common, but not in the same order.

  • on the away kit, the vertical axis has 3 colours. The lesbian flag is also a flag that has colours (6 of them). Admittedly, there’s no similarity between the colours but surely two things having colours can’t be a coincidence?

  • on the away kit, the horizontal axis has 2 colours which are sort of similar to 2 of the 3 colours from the trans flag, albeit not in the same order and a different number of stripes.

WOKEY WOKES R WOKING EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

TheMarzipanDildo · 24/03/2024 20:40

Where did this rumour start? I mean it’s immediately obvious to anyone with google that those aren’t the trans colours.

TathingScinsel · 24/03/2024 20:33

AzureNewt · 24/03/2024 19:27

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That’s a rubbish meme - who doesn’t like engines?

GlomOfNit · 24/03/2024 19:48

Peetra · 24/03/2024 12:01

The wokies have found the thread then 🙄

If you don't like it then don't post and move on.

No thanks. I'm a regular reader and occasional poster on this particular board. I've no intention of moving on - I explained clearly why I don't think this sort of post is helpful on THIS particular board. What has it to do with feminism or women's rights?

AzureNewt · 24/03/2024 19:27

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Peetra · 24/03/2024 12:01

GlomOfNit · 23/03/2024 18:37

This thread is dispiriting. To me, it shows how our justifiable and urgent anger and concern over the erosion of women's rights and spaces is being hijacked by the right wing. (Yes and I know that rightwingers can be feminists too! For the flag-shagger variety, it's not exactly their natural habitat though, is it?) Fuck off and find another bandwagon.

I suspect mischief on the part of the thread-starter. I want no part in it.

(also, it's a non-argument and preposterous. It's not 'trans colours' - look them up in your I Spy Book of Identity Flags ffs. And there has been TONS of talk in the media about what a non-issue this is, that the sacred Flag has been rendered in all sorts of ways and colours for previous championships. And nobody, save a few Reform groupies, gives a shiny one.)

The wokies have found the thread then 🙄

If you don't like it then don't post and move on.

Abhannmor · 24/03/2024 09:57

Aesthetically it's a right mess. Red and purple just clash horribly. Not sure if it's 'woke idiocy' though. Might just be some bright 'consultants ' idea to siphon a few million off Nike the FA or whoever pays these leeches.

The Irish FA binned the shamrock badge over twenty years ago. It's not inclusive apparently. They replaced it with ....a football. Footballs ⚽ are very inclusive. They brought the shamrock back last year after another consultation ' with our internal and external stakeholders' whatever that means. But the St George Cross makeover seems less clear cut ?

TathingScinsel · 24/03/2024 09:37

This gave me a wry chuckle:

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Underthinker · 24/03/2024 07:02

@GlomOfNit I agree. But I do think it's understandable that people are now hypersensitive to gender ideology creeping up in random places and causing trouble.
We can see red flags where there are none (Literally in this case.)

AzureNewt · 23/03/2024 19:28

The outrage seems to be really selective, too.

UKIP use an all-purple version of the Union Jack as one of their logos - apparently this is fine.

The Conservatives use an angled version of the Union Jack, smooshed into the shape of an oak tree - also fine.

The Scottish Conservatives’ logo is a multicoloured version of St Andrew’s cross.

But if anyone other than a right winger uses any imagery from a flag, and doesn’t recreate it entirely faithfully, then the whinging, whining and outrage begins.

GlomOfNit · 23/03/2024 18:37

This thread is dispiriting. To me, it shows how our justifiable and urgent anger and concern over the erosion of women's rights and spaces is being hijacked by the right wing. (Yes and I know that rightwingers can be feminists too! For the flag-shagger variety, it's not exactly their natural habitat though, is it?) Fuck off and find another bandwagon.

I suspect mischief on the part of the thread-starter. I want no part in it.

(also, it's a non-argument and preposterous. It's not 'trans colours' - look them up in your I Spy Book of Identity Flags ffs. And there has been TONS of talk in the media about what a non-issue this is, that the sacred Flag has been rendered in all sorts of ways and colours for previous championships. And nobody, save a few Reform groupies, gives a shiny one.)

StaunchMomma · 23/03/2024 17:25

TathingScinsel · 22/03/2024 17:24

No pink or purple cross on the 66 training kit either - the FA quote seems to refer to the stripes?

Still absolutely nothing to get wound up about.

The collective 'outrage' is truly embarrassing.

Barr77 · 23/03/2024 16:23

There is a cost of living crisis, people are feeling the hit on their pockets. To spend £125 on the football shirt is a luxury most cannot afford, and a strip that has been met with ambivalence at best.

I don’t necessarily think that the ongoing controversy will help sales either. Perhaps that might been the case 15 years ago when living standards felt better, but now I think this whole media debacle will only serve to irritate further.

A poster mentioned above that there is a general fatigue around corporations forcing their ideology on a fed-up and exasperated public. The mishandling of the public reaction by the FA has shown how out of kilter they are with the current public mood.

Even if England reach the final, I can see these shirts making their way to eBay.

uhOhOP · 23/03/2024 11:25

Calllalllama · 23/03/2024 11:11

There are lots of countries where flag 'desicration' is illegal including 'defacing it with slogans' including countries like France, Germany and Austia.
This shows that Nike should have been a bit more aware that changing a flag might create a backlash and been a bit more foresighted about the cultural impliications.
They are based in Oregon and I think that there is a feeling that USA multinationals seem to have taken it upon themselves to educate us and take over our cultural territory and the direction of our political policies.
Trans ideas all came from The USA and and it just seems another complete disregard for us as an independant country and yet another example of cultural imperialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration#:~:text=Flag%20desecration%20is%20a%20crime%20in%20China.

The emblem on the neck of the jersey is not a flag.

BackToLurk · 23/03/2024 11:24

Calllalllama · 23/03/2024 11:11

There are lots of countries where flag 'desicration' is illegal including 'defacing it with slogans' including countries like France, Germany and Austia.
This shows that Nike should have been a bit more aware that changing a flag might create a backlash and been a bit more foresighted about the cultural impliications.
They are based in Oregon and I think that there is a feeling that USA multinationals seem to have taken it upon themselves to educate us and take over our cultural territory and the direction of our political policies.
Trans ideas all came from The USA and and it just seems another complete disregard for us as an independant country and yet another example of cultural imperialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration#:~:text=Flag%20desecration%20is%20a%20crime%20in%20China.

You understand that the FA will have signed off the design. This isn't Nike unilaterally 'desecrating' the flag as an act of US cultural imperialism

Calllalllama · 23/03/2024 11:11

There are lots of countries where flag 'desicration' is illegal including 'defacing it with slogans' including countries like France, Germany and Austia.
This shows that Nike should have been a bit more aware that changing a flag might create a backlash and been a bit more foresighted about the cultural impliications.
They are based in Oregon and I think that there is a feeling that USA multinationals seem to have taken it upon themselves to educate us and take over our cultural territory and the direction of our political policies.
Trans ideas all came from The USA and and it just seems another complete disregard for us as an independant country and yet another example of cultural imperialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration#:~:text=Flag%20desecration%20is%20a%20crime%20in%20China.

Flag desecration - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_desecration#:~:text=Flag%20desecration%20is%20a%20crime%20in%20China.

SerendipityJane · 23/03/2024 10:42

Seen elsewhere ... (vaguely reminiscent of Apples "rounded corners" mis step)

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Boiledbeetle · 23/03/2024 10:39

oneinamillieon · 23/03/2024 10:33

@Boiledbeetle very mature. i clearly meant how do i block it so it doesn't show in my "i'm on"

Go to I'm on
Click the three dots on the top right
Select unwatch thread
Then click remove

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Careforcarers · 23/03/2024 10:34

PaperWalkAndTalk · 23/03/2024 10:30

Some of these outrages can be media driven (which the media has done by deliberately asking Rishi and Kier for their opinions), but what this sums up is this feeling of corporate wokeness being enforced on everyone.

Whilst it may not have been done on purpose to look like an LGBTTIQQ2SA+ flag, the public have grown tired and are immediately suspicious of things being replaced with stripes. Nike and the FA should've been aware of this.

People are on the lookout for this sort of thing now, and particularly with Nike's history of employing a female impersonator.

Yep.

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oneinamillieon · 23/03/2024 10:33

@Boiledbeetle very mature. i clearly meant how do i block it so it doesn't show in my "i'm on"