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Talking about men with autogynephilia - AGPs

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Leafstamp · 20/03/2024 16:36

Have just been checking the mumsnet guidelines and this is what they say on the subject:

Will you consider deleting posts that associate transgender people with autogynephila (AGP)?

This is something we'd look at on a case by case basis, though we'll definitely delete posts which generalise.

So, we should bear that in mind here.

I wondered how anyone can say for certain that a man who identifies as a woman is NOT an AGP.

I suppose if he is seeing a psychologist or similar HCP then that HCP may be able to give an opinion. But the fact of the matter is, none of the rest of the people that such a man came into contact with would know for sure if he is getting kicks out of dressing as a woman.

The Equality Act, through having Gender Reassignment as a protected characteristic has given protection to men with autogynephilia, hasn't it?

I know this is not a particularly new trail of thought for this board but I felt perhaps it needed a bit of an airing.

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Leafstamp · 20/03/2024 17:07

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 20/03/2024 16:57

The Equality Act, through having Gender Reassignment as a protected characteristic has given protection to men with autogynephilia, hasn't it?

In regards to the EA, I think it's mischaracterised by TRAs that somehow gender ideology is protected by equality law. You see it used as a gotcha in their arguments sometimes.

But in fact Gender Reassignment is supposed to protect someone going through that process from being fired etc. Which I would totally agree with.

If your colleague Jim came into work one day calling himself Barbara, I don't think he should be fired, but nor do I think he should be allowed to used the women's toilets.

Yes, I think you're right. And thanks to the Equality Act Jim thinks he can compel colleagues to validate his paraphilia in a way that men with other paraphilias cannot.

IANAL and obviously it would depend on the precise facts of the case, but it just seems that, if only thanks to Stonewall, women now think that they must kowtow to Jim's demands and public displays.

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HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 20/03/2024 16:57

The Equality Act, through having Gender Reassignment as a protected characteristic has given protection to men with autogynephilia, hasn't it?

In regards to the EA, I think it's mischaracterised by TRAs that somehow gender ideology is protected by equality law. You see it used as a gotcha in their arguments sometimes.

But in fact Gender Reassignment is supposed to protect someone going through that process from being fired etc. Which I would totally agree with.

If your colleague Jim came into work one day calling himself Barbara, I don't think he should be fired, but nor do I think he should be allowed to used the women's toilets.

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 20/03/2024 16:53

I agree OP, but unfortunately MN is trigger happy when it comes to deleting on this topic. It's one of the things we're supposed to pretend isn't happening and doesn't exist.

Meanwhile there are several TW who have admitted that they transitioned because of porn and that it is a fetish.