“Trans treatment waiting list a ‘death sentence’”

I'm wanting to know where the transmen in their 60s were in that article.

How terrible. I'm so sorry.

We are a 21st-century, developed society. This is inexcusable.

Yes there isn't so much news about middle aged women transitioning is there.

Im still concerned by the numbers of autistic girls who are understandsbly finding puberty/being a teen girl in this world tricky and looking for identity in trans 😔. I am really concerned it's basically abusive to a vulnerable demographic. But to say anything invites accusations of bigotry.

This is spot on. If being trans was like being gay then we'd have roughly the same number of male and female people in each age group identifying as trans.

Why have none of the charities like Stonewall and Mermaids spent any of their millions on research to see why we have a load of middle aged men transitioning and a load of teenage girls being uncomfortable with their female bodies?

Has anyone even done a sex segregated survey on the numbers?

I'm sure there were kids with gender dysphoria who suppressed it. But the vast majority were not the suicidal sort. Living with mild gender dysphoria is not necessarily all that big a deal and probably quite common.

Part of the problem is that we still try to treat gender dysphoria as we did twenty years ago when it had to be really, really bad for people to even admit to feeling it. So we've got treatments that were designed for the worst cases being used on a whole host of much milder ones. Old scientific data from a very different set of patients is used as justification for everything they're doing.

Of course social contagion is part of it too. People experiencing gender dysphoria when previously the thought would never have occurred to them.

The TRA's lame claims that 'they've always been there but brutally suppressed', 'Joan of Arc' etc, really don't stand much scrutiny.

If that were true, they'd be able to point to the large numbers of late-transitioning women who were prevented from doing so when they were younger.

Instead Mumsnet is full of women who look at the teenage girls who identify as trans, and think how similar we were to them when younger. But instead of going for a later-life transition we're all pointing out the flaws in the ideology.

I can imagine there will be panic once the adult service starts to be assessed. I look forward to reading all the evidence that supports the NHs providing hormones and surgeries for adults. I suspect that the fact that suicide rates are not improved in adults receiving such treatments and that mental health studies have shown little evidence of improvement, that the services offerred to adults will also have to change.

Most of the media also seem remarkably uncurious about one of the most obvious points that would surely strike the proverbial visitor from Mars: why this sudden explosion in demand now? Where were all the 'trans kids' when old gits like me were at school? Or even later? The TRA's lame claims that 'they've always been there but brutally suppressed', 'Joan of Arc' etc, really don't stand much scrutiny. And yet this obvious fact seems very under-discussed.

They will start to demonstrate that this is a cult the more they continue with that shit....

This will ramp up as harms from genderism are shown

Oh that's interesting news.

I'm so sorry to learn of the outcome for your aunt.

Family friends had a young child who needed palliative surgery. Not surgery that would cure the problem but would definitely have reduced the pain and associated distress.

No surgery.

I can't think of how many people I hear of who have delays for cancer that might well have been curative if treatment had happened when needed rather than delayed and progressed beyond that stage.

Sorry for your aunt and you 💐. Having spent a lot of time in paediatric neurology wards it is awful disease. There is not enough being done for brain diseases and injuries. And very little money for counselling or rehabilitation.

I posted a Californian study here (hopefully it goes to the correct post).

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5031458-we-dont-actually-know-much-guardian-article-on-hormone-therapy?reply=133873210

My aunt has a brain tumour and was on a waiting list - she died waiting.

some people will never be happy in their own skin - they will never look in the mirror and be happy. Maybe this needs to be addressed.

Mental health care is the issue here, not the actual surgery. They must have forgotten to report on that

Let's see a, radical overhaul of how we deal with homosexuality. Let's understand how porn is toxic and educate young people who will become parents on internalised homophobia. Being gay isn't all rainbows, unicorns, drag and screaming. Until we end this parade of bullshit perpetuated in our media we will rarely see the regular, positive gay male role models. Too many still prefer a trans daughter over a gay son and that's playing straight into the hands of Ru Paul, Dylan Mulveney etc. Our society still totally misunderstands and misrepresent gay men. Let's separate the AGP fetishists from the argument, they seem to be the only people benefitting.

Literal violence
Genocide
Killing our trans siblings
Death sentence

People are dying waiting for life saving treatment/surgery and somehow waiting for the NHS to fund a chosen lifestyle is a 'death sentence'. It gets more batshit crazy every day.

I’m pleased that trans healthcare in general in the UK is moving closer to being evidence based. No one should have access to cross sex hormones unless they are of benefit that is proven by properly conducted clinical trials, or as part of a clinical trial to assess their effectiveness to treat gender dysphoria.

Isn't the suicide rate at least as bad after transition? On that analysis, the "treatment" itself is also a death sentence.

Yes you’re right

Personally I don't think the NHS should fund any physical intervention for people who wish they were the opposite sex. There's no evidence it work. I am a live and let live person generally so if people want to pay for plastic surgery, I'd not ban it. But we're not paying for boob jobs, face lifts etc from the public purse and there's no evidence that the people wanting those are any less distressed about their body being other than they wish it were.

I think the coroners comments could be said of quite a few deaths on the current NHS waiting lists, we all ha ve to wait.

It is irresponsible reporting, especially in the manipulative narrative that people will commit suicide if they're not given whatever treatment they've set their hearts on.

I hope the NHS review considers this kind of coercive and dangerous approach carefully in the new review.

Suicide should not be used as a lever to try to exert pressure on HCPs. Especially when there is evidence that shows suicidality tends to worsen post transition.

In fact a careful, open, and thorough examination of the narrative of suicide should be central to the review.

If its not a mental health issue why is suicide being referenced as a possible reason to treat?

On what evidence are they basing the treatment?

Time to write another complaint letter