Garrick Club

Some brave gal needs to test the model.

Even better, if they were to do it in the spirit of our sister transwomen in prisons and sports, they’d announce their supreme ‘maleness’ (in their head and inner spirit obvs) by looking as feminine and as womanly as possible. Tits, teeth the lot.

But single sex spaces DO work both ways! You have women's toilets, you have men's toilets. You have women's changing rooms, you have men's changing rooms. You have women's prisons, you have men's prisons.

The problem with those things is that men, who already have their own spaces, are invading women's spaces.

Gentlemen's clubs are a different kettle of fish altogether.

my son in law belongs, i believe they have a strong vetting process. so not apply pay be accepted.

I was reading about this in relation to the legal profession, and in some jurisdictions you can't be a judge if you are a member of a discriminatory association. There's a concern that it will lead to judicial bias. Many senior judges in England are members of this club, including the judge who was in charge of the undercover cops inquiry. I also remember Lady Hale saying she was dismayed by the number of judges and barristers who were members of the club.

He is absolutely correct. It isn’t different at all, and it’s a case of cognitive dissonance to suggest that it is. Single sex spaces should work both ways, and that’s completely fine by me.

Tbh I think we should let men have their clubs and let women have our clubs. I’m sure that men benefit from an all-male environment in the same way as we benefit from all-female. Live and let live. I’m fairly adamant on the need for all-female spaces and I can’t square away the logic of not also accepting men’s spaces.

How do you objectively distinguish between the Garrick and a club like Allbright that explicitly states that it is there to function as a place for ( wealthy) women to network?

You can say “but patriarchy” (and that may be very valid) but if you are making rules, what distinguishes one from the other?

Women want sex segregated spaces for reasons of safety and personal bodily privacy.

It's not about a networking opportunity which elevates your career/contacts from which you deliberately choose to exclude over 50% of the population.

Members of the Garrick who don't want women as members (44% but enough not to be able to change the rules) aren't concerned about being sexually assaulted/harassed by women. They just want to preserve the patriarchy.

The Mayfair did allow their first (and only) "woman" to the club. Yup a current male member who had transitioned and they decided not to ban. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/04/private-gentlemans-club-allows-first-woman-member-150-year-history/

Not sure if the Mayfair still has the same policy.

Good point tho about self ID. Could we all rock up there identifying as men and get in? How does one prove one’s manhood for membership?

It’s only a problem if there is a career advantage to membership which there clearly is. It’s a men’s only space not because men want to feel safe there without women. It’s an elite club that women are excluded from that a great deal of networking goes on in.

Kinda like the Masons but costs thousands and with comfier chairs.