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Feeling depressed after conversations with my young adult daughters regarding female value.

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BigButtons · 16/03/2024 07:23

I was out for a drink with my 22 daughter a couple of nights ago. She showed me a list of her ‘bodies’ the men she had slept with. It turns out of the 9, 2 were indeed rapes. She shrugged it off and was more concerned about her tally. She says that young women now are deemed to have lower value if they sleep with a lot of people. That the men she meets often ask her how many ‘bodies’ she has had.
she believes that feminism driven by millennials has caused a huge back lash amongst men, given raise to people like Andrew Tate and devalued women.
I was so horrified.
The next day I asked my 20 year old daughter if she concurred with this and she did.
So we are going backwards. Young women are deemed higher value the purer they are.
I feel so bloody sad and angry.
I hoped for better for my daughters.

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BigButtons · 16/03/2024 09:20

I mean simply using the term bodies dehumanises people.
i have told her to tell any men who ask her that question to mind their own business.

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Circumferences · 16/03/2024 09:19

she believes that feminism driven by millennials has caused a huge back lash amongst men

Feminism has not caused misogyny in men. It exists despite feminism's best efforts. The tsunami of hard core porn has a LOT to answer for.
The mass use of internet porn was not caused by feminists.
Pop culture that depicts women as one dimensional sex objects was not created by feminists.

DontBeAPrickDarren · 16/03/2024 09:17

PerspicaciaTick · 16/03/2024 09:12

Women need to stop engaging with men the moment they raise the issue of "bodies". It is a huge red flag and not a conversation that can ever have a positive outcome for a woman.

Agreed and I don’t recall ever being asked it. Is this a more recent thing?

PerspicaciaTick · 16/03/2024 09:12

Women need to stop engaging with men the moment they raise the issue of "bodies". It is a huge red flag and not a conversation that can ever have a positive outcome for a woman.

Durdledore · 16/03/2024 09:02

It was the same messaging when I was their age and I’m 48, so I’m curious what age you are. Just want to give you some comfort that whilst things are FUCKING SHIT, this messaging isn’t a backwards step. It wasn’t delivered in the same way, but you were ‘a slapper’ if you ‘slept around’.

Very concerning she’s shrugging off the rape though. What’s going on there?

Edenvale · 16/03/2024 09:02

Slept with 9 people by the age of 22? God I'm old Grin

Daleksatemyshed · 16/03/2024 08:59

It was always like this, historically a woman's virginity was guarded carefully and in some of the Bible states in the US they still expect a woman to be a virgin when she marries. Men can be very hypocritical about sex, they want a woman to them sex with them but don't want her to have done it with too many others. The cynic in me thinks they prefer a lack of experience so a woman doesn't know if they're poor lovers.

Runskiyoga · 16/03/2024 08:29

He speaks to their worth in a way that almost no one does any more. Jordan Peterson did that too, but with a dose of discipline and taking responsibility. Having worth and value leads to less hatred.

Loubelle70 · 16/03/2024 07:50

againstthestorm · 16/03/2024 07:36

I do think we have to look seriously at why Andrew Tate has become so popular amongst young men. He can only have become popular if he was talking into something already there. He didn’t pop up in a vacuum. So what is going on?

i don’t know what ‘millennial’ feminism is, but it sounds like sexist woman- hatred to blame feminism for the fact that men hate women. I mean, c’mon!

I do think porn will have a big impact on how men view women. You can’t grow up enjoying images of women being abused and degraded and existing just for your aggressive pleasure, and not have that affect how you view women.

Exactly this.
Patriarchy...men are allowed and are of high value if they sleep around, go on son mentality ...women no, she is slated.
Andrew tate is a misogynistic sexist dick head accused rapist and ive already talked with my grandson about respect for women, to not believe anything slating women when the man does the same thing and is usually congratulated for it. Its unfair.
It might be a good idea if she reads to buy her a feminist book on the patriarchy and why these views are.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 16/03/2024 07:45

I guess (some) men have realised that a lot of women are increasingly disenchanted with misogynist behaviour and are willing to be single for a long time or even permanently rather than date a man who doesn't see them as equals (which is obviously a good thing!). Obviously it makes misogynists extremely angry that women have the power to reject them and all men like them. Hence the popularity of Andrew Tate. If some women continue to date men like this, more fool them. It's terrible that your daughters feel the way they do, and the rapes are shocking and awful, but statistically not surprising, unfortunately.

againstthestorm · 16/03/2024 07:36

I do think we have to look seriously at why Andrew Tate has become so popular amongst young men. He can only have become popular if he was talking into something already there. He didn’t pop up in a vacuum. So what is going on?

i don’t know what ‘millennial’ feminism is, but it sounds like sexist woman- hatred to blame feminism for the fact that men hate women. I mean, c’mon!

I do think porn will have a big impact on how men view women. You can’t grow up enjoying images of women being abused and degraded and existing just for your aggressive pleasure, and not have that affect how you view women.

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