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Urgent - Alternatives to GenderGP for HRT?

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SisterSupport · 15/03/2024 10:32

Following on from my earlier thread, please could you recommend alternatives to GenderGP which are likely to offer better holistic care, should our ASD 19yo DS wish to pursue the HRT route (which we obviously hope he won't)? Someone mentioned GenderCare and there's obviously the NHS. We've registered with the Bayswater support group and will be seeing our DS over the weekend to hopefully talk about things. Thanks for your help and support.

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My DS (19, ASD & ADHD) has made an appointment with GenderGP because he wants HRT. What can we say to help him change his mind please or at leas...

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AlisonDonut · 15/03/2024 12:09

Is this just an attempt to test the posters on FWR to see if some will actually refer him to get hormones so that you can prove something or other?

Rightsraptor · 15/03/2024 12:00

Your title is misleading, OP, as it's not HRT your child wants. I'd thought when I read it that you'd been getting HRT from Gender GP and it was being withdrawn.

I really don't meant to sound nit-picking but incorrect use of words and language-shifting have been tools of the Genderists for some time now & which they've used to great effect to confuse people.

I hope you sort your child's problems out.

TheClogLady · 15/03/2024 11:47

if you let me know where you/your son are based I can probably give you some insight into the NHS provision in your area - the GICs are 4 nation specific and not limited by catchment beyond that (Nottingham is currently the most popular in England due to much shorter waits but it’s having some internal issues) but there are now a number of geography dependent ‘pilot schemes’.
There is seemingly very little consistency between NHS services and quality of holistic care seems to be more dependent on individual clinicians rather than applied via NHS top down policy.

(Researching both private and NHS gender services has been my special interest ever since DsD ‘came out’ over 5 years ago. We’ve managed to hold off on medicalisation while letting her play around with her appearance via clothes and hair etc but she’s 18 later this year and will have access to the TonyBlairBux ‘Child Trust Fund’ that we now sorely regret paying into for 14 years!)

TheClogLady · 15/03/2024 11:35

None really. The private services (really just a bunch of loosely connected freelancers) exist only to rubber stamp a gender dysphoria/gender incongruence diagnosis or write letters okaying them for surgery and then refer on to associated endocrinologist/private surgeon.

Any exploratory therapy or differential diagnosis is meant to occur before contacting the transition services doctors.

The most rigorous of the first stage doctors seem to be Dr Dimitri Popelyuk and his staff at The Gender Clinic (they at least insist on calling a family member or partner to corroborate the service user’s personal history story, which makes a lot of transition seekers angry) or perhaps GenderPlus ((headed by Aiden Kelly) who are at least CQC registered (genderists complain about them being expensive and requiring lots of unnecessary’ sessions, but GenderPlus are still gender ideologues from my vantage point, which is terfy stepmother to an teenage transman). Kelly is a psychologist and Popelyuk is a psychiatrist, iirc.

GenderGP is currently close to collapsing due to a combo of raising prices and announcing the use of AI in their systems, so basically charging more money for less personal attention.

I’ve seen very few stories of transition seekers being rejected or even overly questioned by private doctors - the psych side of things seem to weed some people out via online triage forms but once an appointment is made almost everyone seems to get a diagnosis (sometimes with two appointments instead of just one) and the endocrinologists only seem to pushback when service users have unreasonable requests regarding wanting to pick and choose between hormonal effects as though on the character creator stage of a video game.

Even some people who claim to be systems and use ‘we’ as a preferred pronoun have been waved through. The only person I’ve seen rejected by multiple gender services seems to want to be an early teenage boy forever (and in reality is an early 20s woman).

The only gender service that seems to insist on seeing people in person and is capable of doing blood tests in house is YourGP based in Scotland.

Gender Hormone Clinic (London) do seem to do a few sessions in person but that’s run by a nurse prescriber, not a doctor (it used to be part of London Transgender Clinic but the plastic surgeon who owned that has declared bankruptcy, and the hormone side was scythed off before the rest of the business went under).

HermioneWeasley · 15/03/2024 11:16

i Wouldn’t be facilitating any access to cross sex hormones. If he insists he can go via the NHS and not any dodgy private clinic

ANameChangePresents · 15/03/2024 11:10

Perhaps I'm being obtuse but so you mean cross-sex hormones? HRT is replacing hormones one would natally produce should a person develop along the Norms for their sex class.