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Midwife and trans issues

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MarkWithaC · 15/03/2024 09:28

Zoe Williams piece in Thursday’s Guardian. Seems to me like a fairly tenuous link being made between ‘anti-trans’ groups and anti-abortion groups. Also, can anyone understand what the stuff about trans men coming for abortions means/what point is being made, because I’m struggling.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/14/juno-carey-midwife-abortions-terminations-rape-survivors-sex-workers

‘I’m not judging you’ – midwife Juno Carey on what it’s like to work in an abortion clinic

She’s looked after teenagers, rape survivors and trafficked sex workers – and assisted at terminations while she’s been pregnant herself. Still, she wouldn’t change her job for anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/14/juno-carey-midwife-abortions-terminations-rape-survivors-sex-workers

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SinnerBoy · 15/03/2024 10:08

Ingenieur · Today 10:04

Zoe Williams would do better to understand the arguments being made, rather than parroting nonsense.

I think the Heat Death of the Universe will predate that.

Ingenieur · 15/03/2024 10:04

I agree the link is totally tenuous, but there are a number of disparate groups that share a criticism of gender ideology. Fundamentalist Christians in the US are "anti-trans" because it undermines their preference for fixed gender roles.

This isn't the reason that gender critical people dislike gender, because they instead want to remove as much of the arbitrary societal baggage that follows from being a woman or a man.

For the Christian fundamentalists it's not just a religious motivation. Other religions prefer transition as a homophobic solution to same-sex relationships.

Zoe Williams would do better to understand the arguments being made, rather than parroting nonsense.

RedToothBrush · 15/03/2024 10:02

Readthelastpagefirst · 15/03/2024 09:51

Calling the Keira Bell v The Tavistock case 'anti trans' confirms everything we already knew about the Guardian.

That, and shoehorning in a nonsensical link between right wing anti-abortionists and 'anti trans' activists shows their true colours.

Yep.

Pandering after US $$$$ and not giving a shit about journalism.

SpringCalling · 15/03/2024 09:58

Link seems to be the same lawyer has been involved in the Kiera Bell case and a supposed anti-abortion case. Trying to bring the purity spiral into legal chambers, good luck with that. By my reading, the 3 trans men she has seen all presented as women because they did not feel they could be their authentic selves when accessing her services ... given all the wording has been changed to address just this situation, it doesn't appear to be working, yet happily they knew how to get the service they needed for their female bodies.

BackToLurk · 15/03/2024 09:58

Bollindger · 15/03/2024 09:43

The Transmen going for an abortion is easy to explain, they have a woman's body, capable of carry a baby to term, so had intercause with a male body...
A Rose by any other name ..... falls to mind.

Does the midwife who wonders why she doesn't see loads of transmen asking for abortions also wonder why she doesn't see loads of lesbians.

Readthelastpagefirst · 15/03/2024 09:51

Calling the Keira Bell v The Tavistock case 'anti trans' confirms everything we already knew about the Guardian.

That, and shoehorning in a nonsensical link between right wing anti-abortionists and 'anti trans' activists shows their true colours.

Bollindger · 15/03/2024 09:43

The Transmen going for an abortion is easy to explain, they have a woman's body, capable of carry a baby to term, so had intercause with a male body...
A Rose by any other name ..... falls to mind.

BackToLurk · 15/03/2024 09:40

It's bollocks. Does that help