Midwife and trans issues

I was about to read a political article in the Graun the other day and then I saw it was by Zoe W so didn’t bother. She’s either incapable of critical thinking or a fan of only giving one side - not what I expect in a journalist.

The whole thing was an absolute disaster waiting to happen.

I remember that in Afghanistan in the 1980s. I could hardly believe it at the time, western powers supporting anti-democratic Islamic fundamentalists. The fundamentalists were at least open about their aims, abolishing women’s rights as soon as they took power anywhere.

Sad but true. The Guardian used to be a strong voice for liberal democratic principles. But that was decades ago.

The trans bit didn't need to be in that article.

I'm pretty sure it's a contractual obligation for the Graun😂

can't answer for ISIS but the west have form - or are you all to young to remember us supporting the Mujahaddeen against the Sovs, who then became the Taliban

It's also playing into the compulsory Guardian agenda - right wing = evil, left wing = virtuous, when both extremes are the opposite side of the same coin.

Do you have a source for that claim, or are you just engaging in hyperbole?

Yeah, I'm not imagining it, I just checked Wikipedia.

She is also a columnist for the London Evening Standard for which she was a diarist writing about being a single woman in London.

She used to be amusing. Not she's just shouty.

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She was certainly one of the first women ever to have a baby, as I recall.

I wonder if ZW is one of the many media luvvy types who has a nonbinary-indigo-child in their immediate family?

Geebray · Today 15:12

Eons ago Zoe Williams used to shill her private life out by writing a dating column for the Evening Standard (back when it was an actual newspaper, not a freesheet). She was amusing then. It's so sad to see what's happened to her.

I didn't know that, I only know her from The Gruinard. I used to find her quite amusing and whimsical, many years ago. Not now...

Where is she getting this nonsense about "since 2019 you haven't been allowed to go to a women's prison unless you have medically transitioned?" The rules were only changed much more recently.

Eons ago Zoe Williams used to shill her private life out by writing a dating column for the Evening Standard (back when it was an actual newspaper, not a freesheet). She was amusing then. It's so sad to see what's happened to her.

I do wonder how much she is striking an attitude in order to try and stay relevant?

For someone who has hitched their wagon to the 'non-binary' train, Zoe Williams sure seems to have difficulty applying the concept to viewpoints or philosophical concepts.

She sounds unhinged in this discussion

I just meant ‘clueless on how to help’ due the the lack of pathways - didn’t mean to be harsh, I actually think it’s utterly shit that GPs are being landed with the mess that gender specialists have made with no support or training, especially as the patient cohort already has significant vulnerabilities.

Bit harsh. There is no recognised medical pathway for supporting detransitioners. I'm not sure how GPs could be expected to know something that even the soi-disant gender experts don't? That doesn't make them clueless.

No doubt, in the US, a lot of endocrinologists and plastic surgeons will make a fortune, undoing (to the limited extent possible), the harm done by their colleagues.

We'll see, but my expectation is that she will never admit she was wrong, but that many of her current standpoints will be quietly dropped, as the associated harms become ever clearer.

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia no, he's a solicitor not a barrister so the cab rank rule is irrelevant.

And @IcakethereforeIam IAAL and no, it isn't libel in any way.

Also, if they are on cross sex hormones or were previously on puberty blockers they are likely to have reduced fertility.

Speaking of Keira I listened to a chat between her, Ritchie Tulip and Sinead Watson just last night. They were admirably frank about the realities of living in bodies that have been harmed by medicalised gender transition.
The lack of any medical support pathways for detrans people is proper alarming, seems their GPs want to help but are clueless about how to do so.

(Coming back with a link)

I think you can make a case for both, Frood!