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JellySaurus · 2024-03-14T22:54:11+00:00

How do you even use these pronouns to refer to this person?

HeartofSaturdayNight · 15/03/2024 08:05

I use the term wims all the time. Also maaate.

But that's by and by.

I find the pronoun kids a bit eye rolly but I see it as little more than a youth fashion. I suspect none of them habe thought about it deeply. Meanwhile, actual grown adults doing it just come across as ridiculous and embarrassing. But quite handy in a "who to avoid" kind of way.

RufustheFactualReindeer · 15/03/2024 08:03

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 07:43

Ha! The irony.

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I think you have missed the point completely

i think youve picked up on otters comment that she can refer to herself however she wants and you reckon you can use it as a gotcha….you can’t

plus saying no one says wims directly after someone says wims is fucking stupid

Grimchmas · 15/03/2024 08:02

JellySaurus · 15/03/2024 07:42

One of the performers has "any pronouns". But I agree - in the current climate, does this mean "don't be daft, speak s as you will", "or I'm so fluidly boy and girl and all pronouns are good for me"?

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In theatre-land it will be "look at me I'm so Special". Genuinely. Sometimes it's "some days I'm in girl mode, some days I'm in boy mode some days I'm non-binary and you won't always know until you get it wrong," aka "look at me I'm so Special."

Despite being apparently okay with any, they will also label you as a bigot, either out loud or just internally, if you only use one. Which leads me to:

We have someone at work who used to be a he/them, and expected people to use both in the course of any given conversation

It's exhausting to have to cycle through them in one conversation - but a lot of people who declare multiple pronouns will expect it.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/03/2024 08:02

loverrr · 15/03/2024 07:46

Not being goady, genuinely interested in the response- what is actually wrong with displaying pronouns?
To me it feels abit silly & unnecessary but cant find better words than that to explain!

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

being compelled to use she/her fir a man is forcing you to lie

All I can think is that they don't want anybody to talk about them

RufustheFactualReindeer · 15/03/2024 07:56

pinkgown · 15/03/2024 02:17

What's wrong with the pronoun "it"? Is no-one ever neutral?

Some people do like it I’ve seen

i think its not used because ‘it’ has been used to talk about inanimate objects and animals

it would make more sense when used grammatically than they but as its seen as an ‘insult’ its not going to happen

ADoggyDogWorld · 15/03/2024 07:56

JellySaurus · 14/03/2024 23:15

It's not her name 😄. That's their character's name. I've redacted his actual name.

This made me laugh, v good 😂

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 07:50

loverrr · 15/03/2024 07:46

Not being goady, genuinely interested in the response- what is actually wrong with displaying pronouns?
To me it feels abit silly & unnecessary but cant find better words than that to explain!

As far as I’m concerned, they play into reductive and harmful gender stereotypes, they control people’s language (demanding that we disbelieve our eyes/ears/natural instincts to refer to a biological male as “she”) and they are part of a wider gender ideology that is to the detriment of women’s rights and safeties.

loverrr · 15/03/2024 07:46

Not being goady, genuinely interested in the response- what is actually wrong with displaying pronouns?
To me it feels abit silly & unnecessary but cant find better words than that to explain!

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 07:44

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 07:43

Ha! The irony.

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That being?

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 07:43

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 07:43

I can refer to myself as however I please, thank you very fucking much. If you'd been around here for a while - rather than just plopping in to give us your tedious and irrelevant opinion - you’d know its context.

And if you’re not respecting how I identify then you’re not being very kind or inclusive, are you now?

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Ha! The irony.

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 07:43

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 07:39

Trust me, one ever refers to women as “the wims”.

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I can refer to myself as however I please, thank you very fucking much. If you'd been around here for a while - rather than just plopping in to give us your tedious and irrelevant opinion - you’d know its context.

And if you’re not respecting how I identify then you’re not being very kind or inclusive, are you now?

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JellySaurus · 15/03/2024 07:42

user746016 · 15/03/2024 05:00

Unfortunately if this is in a theatre context it’s probably not someone taking a GC stance. It’s rife in theatre land (DH is a theatre director).

One of the performers has "any pronouns". But I agree - in the current climate, does this mean "don't be daft, speak s as you will", "or I'm so fluidly boy and girl and all pronouns are good for me"?

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IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 07:39

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 05:49

For what? Are the wims not being kind again?

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Trust me, one ever refers to women as “the wims”.

WickedSerious · 15/03/2024 07:26

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 04:48

reported.

Go back to bed.

sashh · 15/03/2024 06:58

MaybeRevisitYourWipingT3chnique · 14/03/2024 23:08

I never quite know if people's stated 'pronouns' are dependent on the grammatical case/context or if you're just supposed to pick one of the given 'available' ones as you so wish.

So when somebody states 'she/her', I always assume you would use "she has said that..." but "I'm meeting her tomorrow" - but have I misunderstood the new pronoun 'rules'? Could the she and the her have been freely swapped over in the above two phrases?

Thus, when somebody's stated 'pronouns' consist solely of multiple subject pronouns, how do you know which to use when? If somebody identifies as a 'they/she', can you say "they asked me to tell she the time"; or indeed vice versa?

I do agree, though, that this particular person's pronouns are not going to be the first things that people notice, under a name like that!

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It's sweet of you to think there are actual rules. Or that people are consistent. They want the attention of being asked. And the drama of someone getting it wrong because for 30 seconds they were identifying as 'she' and you used, 'they'.

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 05:53

I know someone (a female) who uses he/they pronouns. I presume that means that the context kicks in, as Maybe says.

But I cannot be arsed to work it out. If I need to get someone to give her a box, do I say “Can you give this to him, they’re over there”? Or is it “Can you give this to them, he’s over there”?

It’s demanding people a) disbelieve their eyes and b) spend an unreasonable amount of cognitive effort to bend to their will.

Thankfully she knows I’m gender-critical and so doesn’t speak to me at all any more. Problem solved

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2024 05:49

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 04:48

reported.

For what? Are the wims not being kind again?

cerisepanther73 · 15/03/2024 05:35

"It , they us furries weirdos" individuals who think they are special
Specialists individuals"

"Naval gazers"

" Arrested developers"

Fuck knows what to call people who self identify

user746016 · 15/03/2024 05:00

Unfortunately if this is in a theatre context it’s probably not someone taking a GC stance. It’s rife in theatre land (DH is a theatre director).

AlisonDonut · 15/03/2024 04:52

Mumoftwo1312 · 14/03/2024 23:21

Are you rotating through the pronouns? The mind boggles

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I've seen that some people do expect exactly that.

IanCurtisdancing · 15/03/2024 04:48

reported.

Belichtofalicht · 15/03/2024 02:24

I think she/they means they’re a demi-girl.

I know someone who’s a pan-demi-enby. That is, a pansexual non-binary demi-girl. So I’m up on this stuff. 🤣

pinkgown · 15/03/2024 02:17

What's wrong with the pronoun "it"? Is no-one ever neutral?

PaterPower · 15/03/2024 02:07

Ah, so this is a cast list for a stage play? So this individual plays two parts - a radiologist and a character called Margaret Thatcher-Haze?

Confused me at first reading as I thought it was from a hospital list and that ‘Margaret’ was a Radiologist there 🤪

NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/03/2024 00:36

We have someone at work who used to be a he/them, and expected people to use both in the course of any given conversation.