"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

Juanjo, as a woman, answers the question that divides feminism: "It is a social construct". That is why she is grateful to Irene Montero for having generated a "paradigm change": "In the binary society, a person who is transsexual has gender dysphoria and ends up taking hormones and/or operating so that their previous sex resembles the opposite, but that perpetuates the gender binary. There's no need. A trans person is one who identifies with the opposite sex to the one they have registered. That is why the law has been good for us, we are very grateful."

Is Juanjo wrong in that though?

No fucking way!

This is delicious.

What exactly is their problem with the non normative laydeez then? Have they not perfected the faux mild expression that is seemingly required? Or do they not post enough rainbow emojis?

Well this is where it will all hinge, isn't. If you have SelfID with zero processes or indicators, you must simply and uncritically without question accept the GI of the person you are talking to/investigatin. SelfID collapses into itself if this isn't done.

And while I literally don't care what people wear and so on, i really do care that false statistics and reporting means that either investment can't be targeted where it's needed (eg. Homeless shelters for men, rape crisis centres for women, transgender services for whoever needs it etc) and that is the problem with SelfID in a nutshell: it skews statistics (as the twitter thread showing how one man saying he is a woman skews murder statistics by 20% if you look at women who murder)

If you want to be in the marines, the paras, the SAS, a surgeon, whatever you have to jump through rigorous hoops. I really don't see - for "true trans" people why there is a resistance to the 2 years "living in the acquired gender" and a clinical diagnosis of GD - because if you truly are trans, you will then get the help and resources needed. If we have no way of telling who is doing it for shits & giggles, for Malaga Airport (or can we utter the hallowed 3 initials now?) purposes, for other nefarious pruposes etc... how can we target the help?

If actual trans people had stood with the likes of Buck Angel (much as i find him a bit much) and pointed out that this wasn't going to help trans people but it would play right into the hands of the followers of Michel fucking Foucoult and those of his ilk, we wouldn't be in this mess.

So - i hope that these "trans soldiers" really are just men with an eye on what they can get for themselves. Because it might wake those fuckers up who haven't been listening to women shouting about this for years. And i hope this means that Spain will row back on SelfID and keep giving the disadvantaged-because-of-their-sex female Spanish soldiers their due.

This is glorious!

Ah you've spotted it! I took me ages, it's like an eye puzzle pic
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But what’s the correct answer to the questioning? One they on here said they liked blouses - would the powers that be allow that?

I do love the law of unintended consequences. Pity that the Spanish government forgot to repeal it.

Maybe the court will not definite the law properly but treat the soldiers as though they were claiming Conscientious Objection - grilling them, then deciding whether or not to believe them. This could make the legal process all more vague but possibly be enough to put off future macho male soldier from claiming they are women.

It's hilarious that the hard military bloke is more non conforming to sex based stereotypes than the transwoman. Not by a lot obvs, they're both immediately recognisable as men.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/seven-police-interviewed-station-raided-over-false-non-binary-claims-20230815-p5dwso.html

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/victoria-police-looking-into-claims-officers-identifying-as-gender-neutral-for-extra-1300-allowance/news-story/ab85868602ca99251b4aff14ae55d5ff

It's the wrong type of snow trans

Would have been nice if group 1 had been paying attention to the Dolatowski types and what women had been saying earlier and didn't do this only when it came to financial reward.

They're only interested now because of the financial reward. Nothing to do with women. Just another group of blokes wanting what women have.

That video is comedy gold though. He's not even trying.

Male grifters complaining about other male grifters. And women are the losers.

There was indeed such a thread. I won't link to it because it got tediously derailed, but you've got the gist.

Obviously the only solution is to have RMW sniffing for Woman Essence, and Layla Moran doing a visual soul check (or fish free oboe check) on each of these fellas stunning and brave lady soldiers?

And how will they tell who's genuine? 😆

So, let me get this straight (possibly not the right word in the circs)

One group of male bodied employees have realised they can get additional benefits by IDing as women, so do so.

Other group of male bodied people who enjoy taking their male bodied selves into women's spaces without women's consent are FED UP that group 1 are now using the same arguments they've used to destroy women's single sex spaces to do something slightly less abusive to women.

Meanwhile group 1 didn't stand up for their sisters and mothers and daughters until there was some kind of financial reward for them.

IMO group 2 are definitely more of a threat to women's rights than group 1 and I'd probably back group 1 in a fight, so there is that but still. Would have been nice if group 1 had been paying attention to the Dolatowski types and what women had been saying earlier and didn't do this only when it came to financial reward.

Personally would rather be in the mixed sex (labelled women's) toilets with group 1 than group 2. But can Spanish women please have some basic women's human rights back at some point?

You read mind! !

We are all non-normative trans in that case, aren't we?

It was in Australia, and many, many male police officers identified as trans or nb so as to claim the extra clothing allowance, etc.
The government is investigating and has issued statements about their disappointment that some people may not be genuine…

I can't find the thread on a Mumsnet search, but was it in Spain where a male with an identity was convicted of transphobia for saying another male was not genuine trans because he had not had surgery? If so, then surely FELGBT are also breaking the law by bringing this suit.