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"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

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WitchyWitcherson · 13/03/2024 08:57

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

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lordloveadog · 13/03/2024 19:25

But loads of countries have sex self-ID and there's no evidence of problems in any of them! Right?

CranfordScones · 13/03/2024 19:24

It's the inevitable consequence of elevating feelings over facts and then giving them legal recognition.

Policy-making on the basis of what seems like a good idea at the time ends in a culture war circle jerk.

WickedSerious · 13/03/2024 19:07

Peskysquirrel · 13/03/2024 10:17

But us lot were told everything was just fine and dandy in Spain?
Interesting to see how this plays out.

Yeah,it's all green fields and glitter farts over there.

Ofcourseshecan · 13/03/2024 19:06

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/03/2024 17:47

Men pretending to be women getting mad because other men pretending to be women are just pretending.
🤔

Can anyone post a gif of Claude Rains, in 'Casablanca', saying "I'm shocked! shocked!"? That's the first thing I thought of, reading this.

Ofcourseshecan · 13/03/2024 19:01

Boiledbeetle · 13/03/2024 10:31

Who would have thought this would happen??????? I'm shocked! Totally shocked!!

Wheels in popcorn maker.

Bugger, where are the electric sockets on mumsnet? Can you all look down the side of your posts and see if there is a plug socket I can use?

I'll be doing salted first.

Sorry Boiled, my computer's one of the old steam-driven types.

If you could throw a few bits of popcorn through the screen, I'll put my feet up and join you.

WaterWeasel · 13/03/2024 18:48

Janie143 · 13/03/2024 09:06

Good on those military guys. Checkmate.

This.

PurpleBugz · 13/03/2024 18:42

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 13/03/2024 11:36

End the patriarchy by making men women? WTF have I just read?

Yeah that's a scary thought. It jumped out at me too

RingRingDoor · 13/03/2024 18:12

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/03/2024 17:47

Men pretending to be women getting mad because other men pretending to be women are just pretending.
🤔

This.

RhymesWithOrange · 13/03/2024 18:04

JellySaurus · 13/03/2024 17:26

Polydactyly is proof that human fingers are not decimal, just as trans is proof that human sex is not binary.

Decimal number systems are bigots.

CanNoLongerKeepUp · 13/03/2024 17:56

IcakethereforeIam · 13/03/2024 17:15

Got it! Six fingers on the right hand, or, if you prefer, five fingers and a thumb.

I don't want to derail the discussion and flatly refuse to make any connection between those recuperating from serious abdominal surgery and photoshopping photos but, apart from the five fingers and thumb on the right hand, has anyone else noticed the extra long fingertips on the left one. (Kate, if you're reading these threads, I hope the laughter isn't damaging any stitches. Get well soon and for goodness sake don't read about Fluffy.)

Whatsnewpussyhat · 13/03/2024 17:47

Men pretending to be women getting mad because other men pretending to be women are just pretending.
🤔

YireosDodeAver · 13/03/2024 17:40

Brefugee · 13/03/2024 09:47

This is useful though. These Spanish soldiers have seen where they can get advantage for themselves and have gone for it. (though the advantage they are getting is for women, who get special pensions etc for having had years of unequal treatment so it really does stick in the craw that men are doing this)

So now a Spanish court is going to do what the Spanish government neglected to do and that is to give robust definitions of man, woman and trans. And that can only be good for women (and the genuine trans people there are). Or maybe not - not sure how clever the Spanish government is.

But they won't be able to do that because it's so obvious when you start trying to define "being a woman" in terms of anything other than biological reality (e.g. parameters for clothing; hair, makeup, behaviour and tastes) that it's just sexism in diaguise and must be rejected. It's therefore impossible to have any definition that can't be exploited in exactly this way. These spanish lovely military ladies are top blokes for drawing attention to the total nonsensical mess this creates.

JellySaurus · 13/03/2024 17:26

Polydactyly is proof that human fingers are not decimal, just as trans is proof that human sex is not binary.

IcakethereforeIam · 13/03/2024 17:15

Got it! Six fingers on the right hand, or, if you prefer, five fingers and a thumb.

JellySaurus · 13/03/2024 17:01

Look, for all those people worrying about how to tell the difference between the genuine, sincere, most vulnerable people (FELGTB) and those horrid, selfish frauds (TNN), it's not difficult: just check the cologne they wear.

"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"
"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"
LaCasaBuenita · 13/03/2024 16:29

I’m impressed with the army guy’s understanding of the arguments. He’s really doing a brilliant job and I don’t see how they can disagree with him without simultaneously dismantling the entire concept of gender identity.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 13/03/2024 15:56

Hm. I am more interested in the shirt-free AI character adopted by this group in some sort of poster, than the pink or floral shirts of the actual humans. The soldiers definitely have an eye open to the humour of self_ID in this context. You almost feel them challenging viewers to challenge them on it. (Having said this I agree that women in the military losing out on extra pension rights is likely to be something lost in all this).

Thank you to @yetanotherusernameAgain for the link to the translated article in which this appeared. https://theobjective-com.translate.goog/espana/2024-03-12/asociacion-militares-trans-fiscalia-transfobia/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"
bringbacktheladiesloos · 13/03/2024 15:17

RhymesWithOrange · 13/03/2024 14:44

This week has been a gift. Ban on puberty blockers made me teary. Jo Phoenix's resolution with Open University made me cheer and now the Non-Conforming Trans People of Spain is my favourite new political satire. I have nick-named them "The Lorettas" in my head.

The Three Loretta's

Love it

😄

SidewaysOtter · 13/03/2024 15:16

theDudesmummy · 13/03/2024 11:46

And it's only Wednesday!

Not to mention Jo Phoenix having agreed a settlement with the OU. Quite a week and it’s only Wednesday.

MrsCarson · 13/03/2024 15:10

😂Alex is all beardy like the Army men women, it's all so hilarious
I can just see all the FELGTBI members stamping their foot in frustration.

forgotmyusername1 · 13/03/2024 14:59

oh god. I am getting flashbacks to playing monopoly with my 7 year old at christmas. He insisted on using his rules and then threw a wobbler when he lost and screamed 'its not fair'

SaffronSpice · 13/03/2024 14:53

ArabellaScott · 13/03/2024 09:08

Gosh, imagine someone appropriating your identity and pretending to be you and helping themselves to your stuff.

🎯

borntobequiet · 13/03/2024 14:46

OnlyLoveCanBreakYourHeart · 13/03/2024 11:36

End the patriarchy by making men women? WTF have I just read?

It does have a certain logical charm.

DialSquare · 13/03/2024 14:45

He's out transed them all!

RhymesWithOrange · 13/03/2024 14:44

This week has been a gift. Ban on puberty blockers made me teary. Jo Phoenix's resolution with Open University made me cheer and now the Non-Conforming Trans People of Spain is my favourite new political satire. I have nick-named them "The Lorettas" in my head.

life of brian loretta GIF
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