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"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

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WitchyWitcherson · 13/03/2024 08:57

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

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Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 17:40

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 15:42

I'd bloody love for Mumsnet vipers to submit a jointly authored essay. What fuckingmad journal might consider it?

Edited

I'm sure there must be a World Journal of Any Sort of Shite That People Desperate To Get Published Will Churn Out To Get A Grant somewhere.

It will doubtless be very low impact and full of circular arguments and unreliable statistical evidence, but you could say the same for any journal that thinks people change sex . . .

I bet someone's already done a Masters on "Who has the most bizarre military marching style and why," with a follow up PhD in "Who has the most bizarre military uniform and why." I would like to meet this person.

Give us a fortnight @ScrotumGantry - we're just putting together the details for the ethics committee and preparing the grant application. Then we'll knock out the paper and submit it for publication and probably get an award.

You can meet us formally at the Nobel prize-giving ceremony.

Edited to add @SoupDragonsFriend to the team. Would you like to be in charge of inspecting the tattoos Soup?

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 17:23

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 15:02

Essay?

There's a PhD in there - get cracking.

(And the rest of us can be co-authors. I've been an et al before - I know the drill.)

Me too. Me too. I want to be an et al.
^^
I bet some of those very clever, now-independent, GC academics would be happy to supervise a PhD for you.

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 17:01

Well now that Kate thread makes even less sense.

Chersfrozenface · 14/03/2024 16:52

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 16:52

Thank you! I knew the name but couldn't remember the spelling. Alexa said it was spelled 'KP' ffs.

Hence the peanuts.

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 16:52

Chersfrozenface · 14/03/2024 16:32

Those hats in the video ain't no toques, they's kepis.

(And now my mind has wandered off to smoking, er, herbal substances and eating peanuts.)

Thank you! I knew the name but couldn't remember the spelling. Alexa said it was spelled 'KP' ffs.

ScrotumGantry · 14/03/2024 16:47

I bet someone's already done a Masters on "Who has the most bizarre military marching style and why," with a follow up PhD in "Who has the most bizarre military uniform and why."

I would like to meet this person.

Chersfrozenface · 14/03/2024 16:32

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 14:52

The "chef's hats" thing crossed my mind, too - there's a special name for them and I can never remember it.

<googles frantically>

Toque Blanche.

Edit because instead of "crossed" I had tossed. My mind is like a salad sometimes, but even so I have to draw the line somewhere.

Edited

Those hats in the video ain't no toques, they's kepis.

(And now my mind has wandered off to smoking, er, herbal substances and eating peanuts.)

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 15:42

I'd bloody love for Mumsnet vipers to submit a jointly authored essay. What fuckingmad journal might consider it?

Snowypeaks · 14/03/2024 15:16

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes.

Yeah, me too. Same. 😉

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 15:16

If you want anyone to carry out field work....!

hunger games volunteer GIF
Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 15:02

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

Essay?

There's a PhD in there - get cracking.

(And the rest of us can be co-authors. I've been an et al before - I know the drill.)

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 14:59

MagpiePi · 14/03/2024 12:31

I think we can all agree that there is absolutely nothing homo-erotic or weird about the military. All just manly men doing manly men things....apart from in Spain where they're doing manly women things, or is that womanly men things?

Anyway, move along, nothing to see here.

Indeed, indeed, yes, indeed.

Strangely addictive though, aren't they?

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 14:52

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 11:33

Rolling pins and pinnies, perhaps it's just the quality of the picture but, their white caps look like chef hats too.

The "chef's hats" thing crossed my mind, too - there's a special name for them and I can never remember it.

<googles frantically>

Toque Blanche.

Edit because instead of "crossed" I had tossed. My mind is like a salad sometimes, but even so I have to draw the line somewhere.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 14:50

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 11:32

I seem to have fallen into a rather odd youtube rabbithole.

Brill!

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 14:48

I...oh, dear God. My passport is out of date 😭

Star Wars Reaction GIF
ooooohnoooooo · 14/03/2024 14:48

Saisong · 13/03/2024 09:04

And so the snake eats itself

Is that the one eyed trouser snake ? 😂😂😂😂

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 14:46

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

That reads like Judith Butler, Arabella.... OMG.... Could it be...You're not, are you?😱 Say it ain't so!

Ginandpangolins · 14/03/2024 14:44

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

I look forward to your essay (with additional video content)!

MarieDeGournay · 14/03/2024 14:40

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 11:35

But Marie, I need your comment on this.

No, I refuse to continue commenting on this, I'm a serious radical lesbian feminist with years of activism behind me .......
whaaat?! Actually singing Barbie Girl?? WTF.
Maybe they were told the English lyrics say 'we will restore the borders of greater Russia' and 'our glorious leader doesn't look at all camp riding a horse barechested'.

I just loved the American soldiers dancing to Call Me Maybe. That's owning it!
I loved the dancing and the attitude. Shame about the weapons and armoured personnel carriers in the background obvs.

And no it wasn't me that started this whole camp soldier thang, my profile must've been temporarily hacked😏

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:26

Here's a Greek one just for comparison.

In case anyone doesn't think this is feminism related, I'm examining the heterogenity of gender roles within different national contexts working cross-laterally against assumed gender/sexuality matrixes. I might write an essay on it.

Greece is Alive - [Carly Rae Jepsen - Call me maybe]

Yannis Kazanidis Presents:GREECE IS ALIVEDirected and Edited byDanny DeeArt DirectionYannis KazanidisProduction ManagerStelios KonstantinidisExecutive Produc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW_d9NuBHBs

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:22

I'll watch it again to just to check in case I've misunderstood.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 14:21

YireosDodeAver · 14/03/2024 14:14

I am sure there were at least 3 or 4 heterosexual men in that video @ArabellaScott. But of course being homoerotic is very much within the bandwidth of manliness - let's not buy into the sexist narrative that men not conforming to stereotypes are somehow insufficiently man.

Eh? That video is wall to wall manly men. It's practically made out of macho! It's testosterone to the power of infinity!

YireosDodeAver · 14/03/2024 14:14

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 12:34

Definitely very manly, lip-synching to Carly Rae Jepson while half naked. Much macho. So bloke.

I am sure there were at least 3 or 4 heterosexual men in that video @ArabellaScott. But of course being homoerotic is very much within the bandwidth of manliness - let's not buy into the sexist narrative that men not conforming to stereotypes are somehow insufficiently man.

EsmaCannonball · 14/03/2024 13:44

Next time I'm in Spain I'll try to approach one on sentry duty and ask him,* 'Excuse me, but would you say that is an eau de Nil?'

*I'll give him a good looking-over first, to assess if he would rather I begin with 'Excuse me, madam .....' I'm not going to assume based on tanned biceps and bulging trousers. If he is a lady I am sure he will enjoy a conversation about eau de Nil.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 13:25

Possibly designed for combat in late eighties bathrooms with turquoise suites. tonal aqua towels and matching bathsalts? Or any gay nightclub?