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"Spanish Stonewall" suing "Non Normative Trans People"

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WitchyWitcherson · 13/03/2024 08:57

Saw this post on X from Glinner: https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

"The Spanish equivalent to Stonewall (FELGTB) has been fuming some days because of those military guys who changed their legal sex to female without doing anything else (and keeping beards, wives, everything!), because they were proving us feminists so right.

So finally FELGTB have decided to sue the military guys (who created an organisation called "Non Normative Trans People" (TNN in its Spanish acronym) for "fraud". But TNN have doubled down and said that they are going to sue FELGTB for transphobia, because no reason has to be given for changing your ID and the law says you can't be questioned."

How transphobic of FELGTB, who are they to gatekeep transness?!

https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1767691199794545138

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Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:23

"Oiling Things Up" is specialist work, Beetle

A cycling proficiency badge must have involved you, at least once, looking at a bicycle chain and thinking "I must oil this up sometime".

You are ideally qualified for this arduous task.

Edited because of autocarrot. (Oooh - I wonder if auto carrot would agree to do the "writing up" of the paper - saves us a job and as we know autocarrot (AC, as I like to call them) is a whizz at unusual words (some of them real) and scientific obfuscation)

Boiledbeetle · 15/03/2024 09:19

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:03

Indeed. Swimming Certificates and Brownie Badges are also acceptable, as is Ownership of Purple Pencil (First Class, with Oak Leaves). No et al left behind is our motto!

We have standards to maintain!

Edited to add: If anyone knows where to get the pattern for this tea cosy, I'd be very grateful.

Edited

Can't Help with the knitting pattern but I do have a cycling proficiency badge from circa 1979 and a one length swimming certificate, but alas no brownie badges.

Waits in line to be given et al task.

(Silently offers up prayers about oiling things up)

MagpiePi · 15/03/2024 09:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:11

MagpiePi. Nice long qualification to put in the et al list, too. Well done, that wumman.

<tick>

Edited to embolden.

Edited

Yesss!

Just to add, my specialist area is long-term naval deployments to Caribbean and pacific islands locations.

<makes a note to stock up on spf50 and buy some new sunglasses>

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 09:11

MagpiePi. Nice long qualification to put in the et al list, too. Well done, that wumman.

<tick>

Edited to embolden.

MagpiePi · 15/03/2024 09:09

I’ve got a Royal Yachting Association Level 2 Powerboat Handling certificate, so I’m happy to take on studies of navy personnel.

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:05

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:41

Also apologies the Greek blokes/girls appear to be not connected to the military at all! I'm so sorry, I've done a he-rail by accident.

You are forgiven

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:05

JanesLittleGirl · 14/03/2024 22:36

Yeah but are they prepared to put the work in?

I envisage starting with an holistic approach. Just using my hands to gain a sense of how smooth the oil feels. Obviously ignoring the play of the muscles under the skin. Then using my fingertips to tease out any localised differences. Finally, ensuring that I can separate natural oils from bodily secretions by, possibly, using my tongue to gauge the level of saltiness.

In my defence, this is my fourth night away from home and I may have had a drink or 4.

OK! I am completely objectifying these guys but let's pretend that we never do that.

<wonders if Jane should be out on her own>

Emotionalsupportviper · 15/03/2024 08:03

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 21:20

Oh that's made me so happy: Glinner the Armadillo.😁 He's not confused about his pronouns either.

There's always a billion 'et als'. We will also be able to stretch the length of the et al list by adding in all of our qualifications, some of which may be very obscure but highly relevant.

Indeed. Swimming Certificates and Brownie Badges are also acceptable, as is Ownership of Purple Pencil (First Class, with Oak Leaves). No et al left behind is our motto!

We have standards to maintain!

Edited to add: If anyone knows where to get the pattern for this tea cosy, I'd be very grateful.

Womens Rights Feminism GIF by TeaCosyFolk
Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 23:37

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:40

But Beetle the video is three minutes.

See above post!😁

Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 23:36

PurpleSparkledPixie · 14/03/2024 21:11

looks sadly on and wonders how to be an et al. Maybe can offer a purple pencil?

Well that's half an hour of my life I'm never getting back.
You really shouldn't have said that...the video was only 3 minutes Easter Blush

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Its half a hour if you watch it ten times!

ScrollingLeaves · 14/03/2024 23:32

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 18:37

“To those who choose to follow in our footsteps”: making women/LGBT+ soldiers (in)visible through feminist “her-story” theater

Building on Judith Butler’s understanding of visibility as “the object of continuous regulation and contestation,” art/aesthetics studies in international relations, and feminist theater studies, we identify feminist “her-story” theater as a unique site where Western “gender-/sexuality-inclusive” soldiering is visibilized, contested, and subverted. Drawing on ethnographic observations of two award-winning dramas, interviews with artists and military hosts, and findings from a wider research project on contemporary British military culture, we reveal the key role of heteronormative and patriarchal cultural discourses in reproducing the ambivalent positionalities of women/LGBT+ soldiers. We argue that the very visibility of women/LGBT+ soldiers on the stage paradoxically operates to make the complexities of – and struggles against – masculinized heteronormative military cultures invisible. Furthermore, despite artists’ attempts to dissociate empowerment through soldiering from the problematic context of modern conflicts, “her-story” theater ultimately entrenches gendered/racialized hierarchies that normalize Western military interventions. We conclude that only through sustained feminist reflection on the contours of “imagined” futures of female/LGBT+ soldiering can this persistently problematic (in)visibility be productively disrupted.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14616742.2022.2097936

I read through that thinking it was you Arabella doing a very funny spoof pseudo academic article about the Spanish women soldiers. I only realised it was real when my scrolling got to the link!

RhannionKPSS · 14/03/2024 23:23

It’s fantastic! Well done to those blokes

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:41

Also apologies the Greek blokes/girls appear to be not connected to the military at all! I'm so sorry, I've done a he-rail by accident.

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 22:40

Boiledbeetle · 14/03/2024 18:54

Well that's half an hour of my life I'm never getting back.

But Beetle the video is three minutes.

JanesLittleGirl · 14/03/2024 22:36

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:40

<ticks that job off on "duty list" and adds @JanesLittleGirl 's name>

There is a rota for this particular task - just so you know. It's proved unsurprisingly popular.

Yeah but are they prepared to put the work in?

I envisage starting with an holistic approach. Just using my hands to gain a sense of how smooth the oil feels. Obviously ignoring the play of the muscles under the skin. Then using my fingertips to tease out any localised differences. Finally, ensuring that I can separate natural oils from bodily secretions by, possibly, using my tongue to gauge the level of saltiness.

In my defence, this is my fourth night away from home and I may have had a drink or 4.

OK! I am completely objectifying these guys but let's pretend that we never do that.

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 21:20

Oh that's made me so happy: Glinner the Armadillo.😁 He's not confused about his pronouns either.

There's always a billion 'et als'. We will also be able to stretch the length of the et al list by adding in all of our qualifications, some of which may be very obscure but highly relevant.

PurpleSparkledPixie · 14/03/2024 21:11

looks sadly on and wonders how to be an et al. Maybe can offer a purple pencil?

Well that's half an hour of my life I'm never getting back.
You really shouldn't have said that...the video was only 3 minutes Easter Blush

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:56

TheABC · 14/03/2024 20:27

I'm in for any form of masculine military fieldwork, keeping the subject still whilst, er, the research takes place. Trust me, I have hypnotised a horrified Regiment before purely with my breast movement.

The job's yours.

My double-A's are nowhere near the task, so I'm happy to appoint you.

<licks tip of pencil in workwomanlike manner, and adds ABC's name to the duty list>

<has a feeling the attribution of et als is going to be longer than the research paper itself>

<decides to pad it out with statistics and some graphs>

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:52

TWETMIRF · 14/03/2024 19:36

My mare identified as starving so would wolf hers down before pushing the gelding she shared a field with out the way to eat his. She had to be tied up to eat as otherwise he didn't get any as he'd meekly move away and stand looking pitiful while she licked his trug clean.

I have a cocker spaniel like that. She is almost spherical.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:50

TWETMIRF · 14/03/2024 19:30

Bagsy the ponies, I am getting in on this et al lark too. My relevant experience is having previously had a very randy mare who seemed to be permanently in season and couldn't walk past a field with a fella in without winking (I don't mean with her eyes...)

<adds @TWETMIRF to pony duty responsibilities>

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:49

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 19:08

@ Emotionalsupportviper Thank you for the tattoos suggestion. Given the academic nature of this proposed research, I decided to check the O.E.D. for definitions of tattoos. I’d like to be completely clear. Are we talking about tattoo as in:

  1. Military. A signal made, by beat of drum or bugle call, in the evening, for soldiers to repair to their quarters in garrison or tents in camp.
  2. The formation of permanent marks or designs upon the skin by puncturing it and inserting a pigment
  3. Beating as upon a drum; to thump, tap, or rap upon something with a succession of blows.
  4. A native-bred Indian pony. Also attributive as tattoo horse, tattoo mare'*
  5. An armadillo? *

I should make it clear that I am not qualified to inspect any of these so I’m probably eminently suitable. Actually, I’m willing to do anything for an ‘et al’ so thank you for asking. However, if I have a choice, please can I inspect Armadillos? I’m not very keen on the idea of having to stare at permanent pigmented marks on semi-naked men/hims/thems/etc. Not really my kind of thing IYSWIM. Maybe @JanesLittleGirl would be more suitable? She sounded very keen. 😁

*[I admit, I've never heard of 4) and 5) before. MN does provide a very broad education.]
Edited to get rid of the italics -failed.

Edited

Excellent research skills!

Already you are at et al standard. As a reward you may care for the research team mascot - Glinner the armadillo - possibly @ArabellaScott may be able to provide a picture of him, resplendent in his little (hand-knitted) purple, green and white coat and plume.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:43

SoupDragonsFriend · 14/03/2024 18:53

Oh gawd it's real. I skim read that abstract feeling so impressed that you could churn out this stuff so quickly, only to see the tandfonline link at the end, 😂

REAL?!?!?!?!?!

I thought it was another co-pilot collaboration.

I was only disappointed that there wasn't more knitting (and bananas).

I'm shocked, I tell you - shocked!

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:41

ArabellaScott · 14/03/2024 18:37

“To those who choose to follow in our footsteps”: making women/LGBT+ soldiers (in)visible through feminist “her-story” theater

Building on Judith Butler’s understanding of visibility as “the object of continuous regulation and contestation,” art/aesthetics studies in international relations, and feminist theater studies, we identify feminist “her-story” theater as a unique site where Western “gender-/sexuality-inclusive” soldiering is visibilized, contested, and subverted. Drawing on ethnographic observations of two award-winning dramas, interviews with artists and military hosts, and findings from a wider research project on contemporary British military culture, we reveal the key role of heteronormative and patriarchal cultural discourses in reproducing the ambivalent positionalities of women/LGBT+ soldiers. We argue that the very visibility of women/LGBT+ soldiers on the stage paradoxically operates to make the complexities of – and struggles against – masculinized heteronormative military cultures invisible. Furthermore, despite artists’ attempts to dissociate empowerment through soldiering from the problematic context of modern conflicts, “her-story” theater ultimately entrenches gendered/racialized hierarchies that normalize Western military interventions. We conclude that only through sustained feminist reflection on the contours of “imagined” futures of female/LGBT+ soldiering can this persistently problematic (in)visibility be productively disrupted.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14616742.2022.2097936

That's easy for you say.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:40

JanesLittleGirl · 14/03/2024 18:30

Can I volunteer to check the consistency of the oil on those biceps?

<ticks that job off on "duty list" and adds @JanesLittleGirl 's name>

There is a rota for this particular task - just so you know. It's proved unsurprisingly popular.

Emotionalsupportviper · 14/03/2024 20:37

IcakethereforeIam · 14/03/2024 18:04

That's easy. Making pompom look butch

https://youtube.com/shorts/VQeXdesNfPA?si=XwUlWZPQI1PxbQV

https://youtube.com/shorts/-WwIj0lBiRw?si=39Ume0HDP4S8xVjs

Elite level grandmother's footsteps

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When I saw "pom pom" I knew who it would be. 😄