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‘I was having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life’

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ferretface · 09/03/2024 16:11

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-a-memoir-of-transition-extract

Of course you were having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life because you have absolutely no fucking clue what it's like to be a woman.

Lovely coverage for IWD from the Guardian slow hand clap I wonder if they've deliberately selected that headline to be provocative?

‘I was having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life’: how an app sparked a late-life gender transition

In an extract from her memoir, Lucy Sante reveals how she lived with the feeling of being the wrong gender into her 60s, when a smartphone app gave her the inspiration to take action

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-a-memoir-of-transition-extract

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RedToothBrush · 10/03/2024 10:40

SqueakyDinosaur · 10/03/2024 10:15

Disagree. Whether we like it or not, people like Lucy exist, and have a right to share their stories. It's up to us what we make of the stories, and it's up to the media to provide balance between different views.

I mean, I don't think wanging on about feeling electric shocks to your crotch on seeing yourself as a woman is necessarily going to be a big persuasive argument, but, you know, Lucy does Lucy, you do you, I do me.

You can do that, but you don't call it journalism and you don't have to do one piece for every piece of actual journalism.

Actual journalism should be given the weight it deserves. This is a massive medical scandal. Should that be equal to what Lucy says. If you care about Lucy and people like Lucy you still should be putting the medical scandal front and central and with shit loads more column inches.

Kernackered · 10/03/2024 10:25

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 16:45

"I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch". You said it, mate.

....isn't there a name for this....??? 🤔

SqueakyDinosaur · 10/03/2024 10:15

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2024 09:59

This is both sideism which plagues modern media. It's not journalism. It's opinionism.

Journalism is about reporting reality and holding power to account.

Opinionism is cheaper and good for generating clicks.

The Guardian's commitment to opinionism has long been known. It's why Little OJ STILL has a job against the mountain of evidence of his appalling behaviour.

Disagree. Whether we like it or not, people like Lucy exist, and have a right to share their stories. It's up to us what we make of the stories, and it's up to the media to provide balance between different views.

I mean, I don't think wanging on about feeling electric shocks to your crotch on seeing yourself as a woman is necessarily going to be a big persuasive argument, but, you know, Lucy does Lucy, you do you, I do me.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2024 09:59

ariel333 · 10/03/2024 00:57

This article is The Guardian/Observer's ritual obeisance to their TRA staff because they've dared to publish a Hannah Barnes piece on the WPATH scandal. Whenever they're forced to cover news which is in any way critical of gender ideology I immediately assume there is going to be an OTT pro-trans piece for 'balance' and here it is.

This is both sideism which plagues modern media. It's not journalism. It's opinionism.

Journalism is about reporting reality and holding power to account.

Opinionism is cheaper and good for generating clicks.

The Guardian's commitment to opinionism has long been known. It's why Little OJ STILL has a job against the mountain of evidence of his appalling behaviour.

Faffertea · 10/03/2024 09:57

A story that will be very familiar to Trans widows and those of us who have read their experiences.

“…wanted to see myself as a woman in the act of love…”

There’s a name for that isn’t there? 🤔 No, silly me, it doesn’t exist.

catduckgoose · 10/03/2024 09:56

Over the years I consumed an impressive amount of material on transgender matters, from clinical studies to personal accounts to journalistic exposés to porn.

So, yet another man who wanked his way into a 'female gender identity'.

catduckgoose · 10/03/2024 09:55

[...] my lifelong desire to be a woman. It was, first of all, impossible.

The only reasonable part in this whole sexist claptrap of a piece.

viques · 10/03/2024 09:45

ImFineThankYouSusan · 10/03/2024 00:57

If I am going to a store or a bank and there are multiple clerks or tellers, I will pick the youngest one because I know they’ll be nice

Creepy and gross

If I am going to a store or a bank and there are multiple clerks or tellers, I pick the youngest one because I know they’ll be intimidated.

There you go Luc/ Lucy, fixed it for you.

Poetryandprose · 10/03/2024 08:30

ariel333 · 10/03/2024 00:57

This article is The Guardian/Observer's ritual obeisance to their TRA staff because they've dared to publish a Hannah Barnes piece on the WPATH scandal. Whenever they're forced to cover news which is in any way critical of gender ideology I immediately assume there is going to be an OTT pro-trans piece for 'balance' and here it is.

Yep, so predictable.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/03/2024 08:15

so Lucy didn’t know how to behave in bed as a man - but did manage to father a son. Right

Grapesarenottheonlyfruit · 10/03/2024 02:07

wanted to see myself as a woman in the act of love
Yeah bet he did 🤮

ImFineThankYouSusan · 10/03/2024 00:57

If I am going to a store or a bank and there are multiple clerks or tellers, I will pick the youngest one because I know they’ll be nice

Creepy and gross

ariel333 · 10/03/2024 00:57

This article is The Guardian/Observer's ritual obeisance to their TRA staff because they've dared to publish a Hannah Barnes piece on the WPATH scandal. Whenever they're forced to cover news which is in any way critical of gender ideology I immediately assume there is going to be an OTT pro-trans piece for 'balance' and here it is.

viques · 09/03/2024 21:53

Judging by the photo of Luc just before transition I don’t think many people would have guessed he was about to become “ a very attractive person , (typically used of a woman)”, so I guess the joke concerns the “unexpected and unpleasant definition” .

CorporaINobbyNobbs · 09/03/2024 21:46

Oh I see…..🤦🏻‍♀️

LeavesOnTrees · 09/03/2024 20:35

CorporaINobbyNobbs · 09/03/2024 16:42

I don’t even get the pun?

Dictionary definition of bombshell

noun
1.an unexpected and surprising event, especially an unpleasant one.
"the news came as a bombshell"

INFORMAL
a very attractive person (typically used of a woman).
"a twenty-year-old blonde bombshell"

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2024 20:05

That's a classic Duper's Delight smirk "Lucy" is wearing there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2024 20:02

Grim.

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2024 20:00

In my parallel life as a bloke, I'm a billionaire.

Cauliflowery · 09/03/2024 19:41

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 16:45

"I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch". You said it, mate.

🤮

WickedSerious · 09/03/2024 19:41

Oh,The Guardian.

Say no more.

GoldenGate · 09/03/2024 19:34

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I've noticed this too. They all want to be "girls" not women. Girls haven't (yet) experienced the true realities of womanhood and men never will so it doesn't matter to them, and many non AGP men too.

ShhImThinking · 09/03/2024 19:30

So I walked into this knowing what the outcome would be

Unlike the wife who presumably walked into the marriage thinking she had a life partner who'd been honest about themselves before they committed to her.

And how convenient that declaring the marriage dead happens to coincide with the life stage where most middle aged men try and trade in a domestic life and wife for a flashy lifestyle/girlfriend/car.

SmugglersHaunt · 09/03/2024 18:58

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OldCrone · 09/03/2024 18:57

There's an interview here as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/interview-lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-memoir-of-transition-book-coming-out-trans

There's a wife and child (of course).

In your book you say coming out to your wife and your son was the single most difficult thing about transitioning. How did they react?
It wasn’t hard coming out to my son at all, actually. He’s completely straight but he’s known trans kids since he was 11. He’s of that generation that just accepts it. If I am going to a store or a bank and there are multiple clerks or tellers, I will pick the youngest one because I know they’ll be nice. And my son, well, I’ve been an empty nester for a month now after he moved to Boston for a job, but he was living with me from choice. So I guess he likes me. Coming out to my partner, though, that was extremely difficult because I knew that our relationship was doomed. We’re still best friends, still very much in each other’s lives, but I knew the romantic component of our relationship could not survive. So I walked into this knowing what the outcome would be.