Labour Losing women

Read my actual post. I said said no one was optimistic except for on this issue.

It's a really simple concept.

There is nothing special or mystical about biological motherhood that makes it more important than other forms of parenthood. Fathers and non biological mothers (adoptive or in same sex relationships) are equally important, and should be treated equally.

As has been pointed out, a woman who has given birth has very different needs to the other parent and it's optimal for a breastfeeding child to be in proximity to its mother. My need and my baby's was to not be separated as part of the mother-baby dyad. Both our needs were completely complimentary to the other. It was never my need vs the baby's. My husband didn't have the same needs as me and my baby didn't need him in the same way. Now with teenagers he's absolutely pivotal to their well-being but when they were smaller the best support he gave was to support me in mothering our baby.

Not sure but based on current policies I wouldn’t say funding is there.

The ‘fully costed’ claim died a bit of a death when they touted major green policy at 2023 conference with that line. Clearly it wasn’t the case and u turned this year.

Maybe they’ll add more funding policies. My view has always been around EU opportunity for a bump but they seem terrified of mentioning it sadly

I give up. You've contradicted your own post.

I'm voting Labour.

I specifically said that this issue was the exception.

Well yes, but isnt the costing normally in the manifesto which is normally published about 3 weeks before the election.

Humpty Dumpty strikes again:
“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

🙄

wont lie and then try to cover it up like with PPE

They ALL lie. Don't kid yourself that Starmer won't

Labour positives

No1 : not the tories

Dear bloody me.

ForCoralFox · Yesterday 22:13

Balhammom · Yesterday 22:04

These proposals sound thoroughly sensible to me. Looking forward to voting Labour.
Me too! At last some actual clarity. Although I hope this is soon backed up by the front bench.

I'd say these two posts are pretty enthusiastic about the whole thing

You don't find that starry-eyed, @ForCoralFox?

I'm also wary when someone says 'oh, you needn't worry about what [Labour MP] says, they aren't/won't be anything important in the party/government'.

I haven't read a single post here that is starry eyed about Labour. Not one. Lots of people who think they will be less bad than the Tories, but not one person who is particularly enthusiastic about voting for them, outside of supporting what Angela Eagle (not in the ShadCab) said.

Once more for those reading along...

We are not "all against Labour".
They (and their supporters) just need to make a robust case to earn our vote.

it’s one of many positives if you read a little bit lower.
also - I know that not everyone will vote Labour. I’m following an ABC route personally
you’re all against Labour so why not list the positives of other parties that stand a chance of being part of the government cabinet?

Like the 2004 GRA when Labour set up a huge lie in law ?

They boast about it to this day

It does seem, every time these threads appear, that those touting Labour are younger &/or less experienced & so starry-eyed & gullible (or trying to emotionally blackmail everyone into being so), while the rest of us who've been around the block a few times in terms of living under governments formed by Labour, Tory & coalition parties are leaning back with our arms folded, looking on cynically. We've seen it before. We've heard it before. We don't trust any of them to any great extent. We're trying to work out what's really going on & what's likely to happen in the future, based on our experience of what's happened in the past. We're weighing everything up.

It's grim. But I'd rather make the effort than pretend one party or the other is perfect & anybody who doesn't agree with me is just horrible & nasty & they probably smell.

At least it's dislodged the Benny Hill theme tune.

And flying cars

And robot dog walkers

I'm getting a sense of deja vu...

Define what a woman is - on its own terms, without reference to any other party (i.e. men)

Define what a Labour positive is - on its own terms, without reference to any other party (i.e. THE TORIES)

Tories positives

• not Labour

wont lie and then try to cover it up like with PPE

Won't lie about what? Huge if true.

😂
Takes me back to arguing with toddlers

Labour positives

• not the tories

Fuck me.

I mean, if we're going to imagine away sex, let's just identify as poverty not existing and make it a hate crime to mention it. And VAWG - well no, that doesn't happen and you can be arrested for mentioning or reporting it and oh look! It's vanished! The police have no reports! It's gone! Yay 😊<Insert chorus of shiny happy people>

With monorails.