Labour Losing women

You don't have to have given birth, or even be female to understand that pregnancy and birth aren't just 'grow and remove'; My DH knew before we'd ever contemplated children.

Womanly destiny pah, misrepresenting again. Women who are 100% positive they never, ever want children get this stuff. Unless they're so pomo-addled and open-minded they've lost the ability to empathise with other women.

If you are an actual bio woman (and I have doubts) you're showing a startling lack of understanding of what faces us AS WOMEN, and pushing an airy 'progressive' agenda that is actually pure fantasy at best, regressive at worst. Unrelated to any pregnancies or lack thereof you've ever experienced. That's all.

This thread has reminded me of the time, just before I went on maternity leave, when I insisted I'd still come to a work social that was scheduled 10 days after my due date.

'Of course I'll be there' I told them. 'His (i.e. baby's) father will look after him.'

As it turned out, I still couldn't even walk.

Expressing disagreement isn't lecturing though is it? I have just stated my views, but as you have determined that I've never fulfilled my womanly destiny by giving birth, I better shut up because my views don't deserve to be expressed.

We get numerous anti women posters on here lecturing us about feminism, our bodies and displaying their profound ignorance of feminism and safeguarding children - so your posts are not a novelty

What's an international T+ envoy going to do when they're out and about?

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It's evident in so many of your posts

Maybe a free clownfish? Move with the times.

Will Labour be promising a free owl for every household like they did in 2014? I know that it was a joke but helped me to vote Labour in 2015.

Okay,you don't like 'secretions'.

How about 'effluent from moobs'?

But that doesn't mean that one should go back to work while the other stays home alone, or that one should spend more time caring for the baby.

Well, only one of them will just have given birth after 9 months of pregnancy so while there is no lesser, they have hugely different needs.

It may be “lived experience “ but it’s not the right sort so can safely be ignored.

That's interesting because it often explains mothers who turn a blind eye to the harms done to trans identifying children.

I don't know any women who have all the facts in front of them who agree with Labour's approach on this but each to their own and all that.

I completely agree with you and come at this from the perspective of an adopted person.

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Lol, no.
Neither of them are trans.

Have you given birth to a child who now identifies as trans by any chance?

That's a no, then.

In a lesbian couple, where only one is the biological mother, is the other lesser I'm some way?

In a certain way yes, in other ways no. Both mothers will be the parent, both will have the bond with the child, but only one will be the mother, will have carried and nurtured the child in a way the other won't have and nothing can undo that. I am also not sure if lesser is the right word, multi faceted maybe? That extra dimension you are denying exists but 99,9% of mothers who gave birth will say is there, as will the children in question.

I always wonder why people are so adamant to deny this exists, when there is so much research to show it does. Usually these people have ulterior motives, like being adoptive mother, mother through surrogacy, men.

I have. Given birth that is. More than once.
Am I allowed an opinion?

<coffcoff>splaining.

I've no desire to persuade anyone to vote Labour. I'm a very reluctant supporter of the current Labour Party and their victory is a foregone conclusion, so I don't see the point in trying to persuade anyone. A Labour government is coming, and with it I suspect some positive changes for the rights of transgender people. That's the reality.

Neither of you are remotely right, so much so that I cannot believe you're posting in good faith.

A bottle of formula can be a life-saver for a breastfeeding mother who needs a break. This is NOT AT ALL the same thing as giving a man drugs to induce some sort of discharge, failing to do anything like proper testing, and then feeding it to a baby.

This is not in the baby's interests, and it is not regressive to say so.

I had medicalised births by necessity. I worked full time from early on. I breastfed because I read the literature and concluded it would be best if I could, and I was lucky enough to be able to although it was bloody hard at times.

None of that is the Puritan bullshit you're ascribing to me. Or I suspect anyone else on this thread.

Well, have you?

I wasn't talking about you personally. And I'd love to know how you know I haven't given birth. Womanly intuition?

Did someone really just explain to us how breast pumping works? On a parenting website?

To be fair, I was totally clueless about the physical toll of giving birth, or how long the after effects can continue. Hell I didn't even realise you bled afterwards. So I guess I shouldn't be too hard on the gob smacking ignorance on display here. It's not exactly doing much to persuade me back to voting Labour though.