Labour Losing women

Me too.

I’d vote for any decent, honest independent candidate who rejects gender ideology and recognises that both main parties have policies that merit consideration, and would be willing to support that legislation on a case-by-case basis.

It should not be permissible to claim that any group are a sinister, predatory threat.
Does "any group" include women? Are we allowed to speak for ourselves without being demonised?

That poster didn't even read the article 🙄

I have no idea what you think her death shows.

You are concerned about trans woman [given a name and title] and 'all those with uteruses' [de-humanised, reduced to a body part]

Right. Good on you.

No, my post had nothing to do with trans people. Let’s just put that debate aside for one moment.

It was a reply to the previous posters’ incredibly offensive and patronising post declaring that women were without ambition and ability if they were concerned about negative impacts on women that arise because of their sex.

I wouldn't have brought her into it at all. It's heartbreaking. But I don't think it showed what the PP thinks it showed.

ForCoralFox at 09:35: I can't believe that you are using that beautiful girl's death to advance your agenda against trans people. It's totally unrelated and very distasteful.

ForCoralFox at 09:51: the girl was murdered for not confirming to gendered expectations/social standards. Which is exactly why so many trans people are murdered.

We can't use the girl as evidence of sex-oppression but we should use her as evidence of gender-oppression? Right, got it.

'all those with uteruses'.

JFC.

Labour supporters: what Labour policies are going to help women? Be good to hear.

But by excluding trans women, you are anti trans.

I really hope that a Labour government brings in legislation that dials down some of this noise. It should not be permissable to claim that any group are a sinister, predatory threat. It's only become permissable to say it so freely in Britain because, well, Lee Anderson said the quiet bit out loud, didn't he? I'm hopeful that with a change of government things might eventually calm down on this front.

I remain very concerned about trans people in America though, as well as for all those with uteruses. At least our election is a foregone conclusion. Across the pond it's terrifying.

They have lost my vote because of it. But I can afford a protest vote as Labour will easily win in my constituency. If I had to, I would hold my nose and vote for them to keep the Tories out.

I think you misread the post

I didn't click on the link because I find stories like this too upsetting to read. But if the motive was as stated in the headline, the girl was murdered for not confirming to gendered expectations/social standards. Which is exactly why so many trans people are murdered. And therefore highlights why we should stop defining people by their sex and let them just be people.

How many times do we have to say it?
We are not anti-trans; we are pro women.

Aye,other political parties are available.

Yes, I could not make this out either. I saw only a general reference to a universal fact regarding the numbers of women and girls (female sex/biology) who are murdered every year.

I read the implication as being that this is an example of why sex matters more than gender. I'm sorry if I got that wrong, but you did use the word sex repeatedly.

ForCoralFox ffs, there is no agenda against trans people! Posters on this board are rightly concerned about the loss of women’s rights and the removal of safeguarding for children.

Cross-posted with @DrBlackbird ! And cross!

So, pointing out how the female sex is harassed, assaulted, undermined, hindered, and murdered precisely for the sum total of their existence being of the female sex is now transphobic!!

Regarding alternatives:

The SDP are planning to field quite a lot of candidates according to their website. I'm not sure I like all their policies but I'll certainly check them out.

There will hopefully be a well regarded local independent candidate although they're not declared yet whether they'll definitely stand.

At the moment, I favour an independent. I like the idea of someone who isn't tied to a party line and who has to answer to their neighbours rather than to a party whip.

And no, I don't expect either to come anywhere close to winning but I don't regard picking a winner as the main point of voting. In any case, by picking up votes, including my own, they could definitely do some damage to the favoured candidate.

I'll still wait until I've read the Labour manifesto before I decide. In fact they'll have until polling day to change my mind. There's still time but I've gone way past the pleading and hoping stage.

Point to the bit that has anything to do with trans people.

You need to work on your comprehension skills. Where in my post do I refer to trans people?

Good.

#Not voting Labour.

I can't believe that you are using that beautiful girl's death to advance your agenda against trans people. It's totally unrelated and very distasteful.