Hollyoaks - well this is creepy!

Well, I am not surprised.

The minute I saw the clip I knew there would either be people who see it as a TQ+ idea of normal, or people so cowed by transactivists, and so keen to be on the right side of history, that they deny what they are seeing in front of them: grooming by an older man of a very young girl for sex, grooming by an older man/transwoman to get a child to be transgender.

You'd hope that TV companies are more aware of how predators operate in plain sight - Savile, Glitter, Harris etc? Perhaps I'm naive in thinking they're going to explore a challenging issue of how self interested adults can socially groom young children into believing their bodies are wrong and need fixing?

Time will tell as the story unfolds

Whoever they are, they should be ashamed of themselves for using Hollyoaks as a platform to glamourise an older male grooming a female child with mental health issues.

That's not the point. That would make a different point, wouldn't it?

I really don't think that Hollyoaks would go down the path of the trans woman being an abuser, and from what I've read of the story so far, that's very much not the case

I am very sorry indeed that you experienced sexual abuse. I had missed where you explained that on this thread.

I am also sorry you cannot see that
if this scene were real, this little girl would not be safe from either sexual or mental abuse, or both, from this man, whatever his identity.

It is also my conviction, that this is dangerous grooming by the programme makers if they take your line that this is a normal human relationship.
Only a tangled interpretation of Q theory could make it so.

Who knows how the story will end though.

Can't help but be reminded of Jeffrey Marsh!

YY.

My mistake. She's an actor.

Why did you post those pictures? It must have been to make some kind of point.

This is not an actress, but a male. An actress is a woman. It's also funny that the word only seems to survive because males like it, the actresses themselves mostly use the sex neutral "actor"

I find it very telling that the wrong kind of woman shares her own experience of sexual assault on this thread and is simply dismissed and torn to shreds. Solidarity, sisters!

Oh how surprising, you're back, after flouncing in disgust at our wrongthink. Can't be that devastating.

WTF, where on earth did you get that from?

It's an actress playing a character and those pictures in no way hint at paedophilia or unsuitability to be around children. What do you think they prove?

My interpretation of that scene has nothing to do with my own sexual boundaries. In any case there is nothing sexual there. I suppose it could develop into something sexual in the future, but there is no evidence from the scene that it will. It's a trans woman comforting a distressed child.

Having strong body dysphoria is common to anorexia and to thinking your body is wrong. It is common in teenagers.

Having experienced trauma, being autistic, feeling despised for being gay, feeling cast out because you live in care, are not illnesses as such but forms of distress common to children who may think that changing their gender will improve their lives.

Here you go fox.

Your dismissal of the reality of the action here:

"It was a hand on the shoulder."

No. It was much more. But you seem to be too blinkered to see the truth.

I wonder who the script writer is.

Ah, sure, this is just a caring, supportive older guy (guy is gender neutral! We're told that all the time!) who is helping this young, distressed, pubertal girl as she struggles with the changes her body is going through.

I already said I experienced (mild) sexual abuse as a teenager. I have several close friends and a family member who experienced grooming and/or serious, prolonged sexual abuse as children. I have worked with children who were sexually abused. Please don't patronise me.

Children (a 12 year old in this case) thinking their sex is wrong and that changing it is possible / desirable is mentally vulnerable. This child is being groomed by a self invested adult into believing that their body is flawed, that these are real feelings. He's using emotive language and playing with her feelings.

12 year olds are not emotionally mature enough to make these life changing decisions and the adults around them need to take a calm watchful waiting
approach - not reinforce her flawed thinking. He has an agenda just as predators do.

It may be that the script writers are going to show how self invested adults can negatively affect a mentally vulnerable, unhappy child? Who knows

No one is 'slut shaming' you at all. This is not only your usual straw man, but it is now being used as a claim to victimhood.

I have stated very clearly over a couple of days that you have low boundaries. This is NOT slut shaming you. What do I know of your 'sexual boundaries'? I know that you cannot understand safeguarding red flags and you don't seem to be able to understand grooming.

Counting seconds is obsessive? No. Counting seconds makes it clear that your previous attempts to minimise this contact has been based on falsehood and your lack of actually being able to analyse and interpret the situation.

Your 'it is just a hand on the shoulder' from yesterday, is actually not that at all. It is 28 seconds of a male adult leaning in close from behind a child, talking in their ear while sliding their hands from both shoulders to mid upper arm and back. That is the reality. Not your dismissive take on this action.

I find this whole pathologising of normal human relationships very worrying

That is what paedophiles reason. They really do. They probably even believe it.

Something like one in four women have been sexually abused as children and so have plenty little boys often after grooming.

There will be people on this thread who have either experienced it or have a relative or friend who has.

That scene is not of a normal human relationship.

'If you're sure you need a smaller nose/bigger breasts/a bubble butt?'
'I'm so sure'

Teenage girls go through such a lot learning to live in porn culture. Dysmorphia is surely the norm? Its what we're taught. Our bodies are wrong, we must punish ourselves.

Anorexia is an illness but being trans is not, so they are not analogous.