Judith Butler describes the October 7 attacks by Hamas as "armed resistance"

We should all just shut up about an antisemitic and misogynist statement from someone who is considered a leading American intellectual?

Hardly comparable.

(1) As pointed out by another poster, the timescales are so different as to make those totally different kettles of fish; but
(2) There's a practical reason now why indigenous Australians & Americans won't ever be able to get [from their perspective] all that much justice via the ballot box, namely that there are too few of them/they're a tiny minority, for reasons that from their perspective range from bad [European immigration] to ruinously bad [massacres & disease]. But across Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza collectively, all places where Israel exerts a very high level of control, there's a Muslim majority population, which is prevented from getting justice at the ballot box by something that looks an awful lot like apartheid, which doesn't really wash in 2024.

There were always jews in the ME. In historical records and census counts. In the Quran, magic fairy book extraordinaire, before being ethnically cleansed by the armies of you know who. That is why present day pro-palestine marchers chant, "Khayber, Khayber, Oh Jews, the army of Mohammed will return". You see a great number of a 1.5 billion community believe these magic stories as facts too.

Fact is no one is innocent in the Palestinian problem, except most of the civilians. It's an awful, bloody cycle of violence and revenge and it's not stopping any time soon. This thread won't solve it, or help anyone.

Sorry for my part in the thread derail. Rape is despicable and rape apologists like Butler and several pp here are moral cretins.

Not in living memory, that's the difference

Also, it's not a jewish homeland, there's a 2,000 year gap. Just because it's written in the magic sky fairy book doesn't make it real.

The return of jews to their homeland is conveniently termed european colonisation but many of you dont seem to advocate armed resistance against the European colonisers of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US. There are still renmant native tribes - want to pass the hat around for some rockets, machine guns and a rape squad?

I had exactly the same thought when I saw this clip.

Just horror at her response. Absolute horror.

There is no nuanced response to mass, organised rape and torture. No way.

There wasnt a 50 year occupation. Facts are not optional. There was a an occupation from 1967 to 2005 following a massed Arab attack on Israel which failed. The current war was started by the "resistance" aka rapists and murderers whom quite a few women seem to fellate as heroes.

So what's your limit? When would you start eating, torturing and murdering?

Hysterical hogwash.

So rape and beheading is an acceptable part of armed resistance?

Moofolk and HalebiHabibti - you need to give your heads a wobble

Could you ever have imagined that you'd have to explain that to someone? On a bloody feminist board?

I'd like to remind everyone that in the 50 years of Israeli occupation of Gaza, women have suffered just as much as the men. But it wasn't women who went and carried out vicious, sadistic assaults on 7 October.

Hamas would cease to exist if there was peace. They're a bunch of thugs akin to IRA/UDF. Conflict gives them power.

I wouldn't say you could in any way conceive that a result of the October attacks the Palestinians would be in a better position.

Even if you thought some form of attack was necessary, targeting civilians including women and children with rape and brutality cannot be justified.

It's absolutely grotesque to decribe what they did as armed resistance. And childish - you don't need to decide who is good and who is bad in the conflict and pick a side. Both sides are trapped in horrible pain and trauma and fear of the other.

Could you ever have imagined that you'd have to explain that to someone? On a bloody feminist board?

Rape is not resistance. Murdering children is not resistance.

Exactly this.

And to pander to those elements of the trendy postmodern left who keep her name alive.

OP your response is exactly what she describes in this video; that calling it armed resistance elicits the response that the speaker defends armed resistance, or this particular attack.

Nuance is needed and your reaction is a knee jerk one.

Clearly there is no upper limit of how much harm Butler is happy to inflict on women to serve the men she agrees with.

Mass rape, organised rape, torture and murder is not understandable to me, ever. Not for any reason.

I agree but this thread will be heavily monitored and patrolled by posters not usually seen on FWR condoning and even supporting Hamas.

I have never liked Butler but I never thought she was evil before.

Mass rape, organised rape, torture and murder is not understandable to me, ever. Not for any reason.

And many hostages are still held captive by Hamas.