Judith Butler describes the October 7 attacks by Hamas as "armed resistance"

So Israel is racist on what basis?

Your point being?

I'm very very sure that being anti zionist is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society.

"Jewish" can be a ethnicity as well as a religion.

It's also not clear what constitutes Israel, and what constitutes Palestine, given the liquidity of the borders since 1948.

The overlap is huge.
It's very hard not to notice that.

It is not me that is hard of thinking. You have made no effort to engage with any of my posts above or over the last few pages which actually do display some awareness of history and context. You clearly have no awareness of the history of ant semitism and the many forms it has taken.

Alpha; you keep.saying Israel is racist. What race are you claiming Israelis are?

Why are you using 'Jews ' and 'Palestinians' rather than 'Israelis' and 'Palestinians ' ?

But - thats true - what exactly did Israel expect

And there we have it. Brazen. What did Israel expect: can’t blame Hamas for raping women, it’s just to be “expected”

Not even trying to hide it. The rest of your post is just trying to justify rape.

Funny how many Israeli settlements there are in lands that Israel stole from other people isn't it. Funny how much they have shrunk over the years as well.

There’s a very good reason for this.
You will find it if you dig a little deeper.

Hints are WW2, Holocaust - concentration camps, Babi Yar. Sadly the list is horribly long.
It will explain your query though.

The anti semitism is often very thinly veiled beneath many anti zionist sentiments, even if those subscribing to these views have little awareness of their history or context.

What race do you think Israelis are?

The West Bank and Gaza are not Israel. They are lands set aside for the creation of a Palestinian state ( 'The Palestinian territories'). The state that the arab leaders have rejected on many occasions over the decades. Hamas were elected in Gaza and the PA govern the West Bank. Palestinians are not Israelis.

20% of the Israeli population is Arab; there are also Bedouins, Christians and Druze. They all have the vote; can all serve in the judiciary; can be found in every occupation and walk of life.

Being very clearly anti zionist is not anti Semitic.

I've also clearly said nobody is in the right any more and it's just a story of vengeance - that will never likely end.

I actually stepped in to try and get this thread stopped because they always turn into a he said / she said pile of bullshit.

Nah. You stepped in because not everyone was buying your antisemitic, pro VAWG rhetoric.

Jews have equal rights in Israel. Palestinians do not. Therefore it is a racist apartheid state.

Key points include the existence of different laws and mobility restrictions for Palestinians in the West Bank compared to Jewish settlers, the blockade of Gaza, citizenship rights that favor Jews (such as the Law of Return for Jews worldwide), and disparities in land ownership and access to resources.

Report away. You'll need to prove me wrong.

Except that is not true. Everyone has equal rights in Israel, including the 20% of the population that is Muslim. There are arab muslims in the Knesset and in every other walk of life. You have clearly never experienced what actual apartheid looks like in practice. Words are cheap, when you throw them around without any actual knowledge of what they mean.

There is no law in Israel that forbids a Muslim from becoming PM, yet there are laws in many other countries, mostly Muslim, which actually do forbid a leader other than a Muslim - and in which Christians, for example, are persecuted. See Pakistan as just one example.

Any future Palestinian state would be more of an ethno state than Israel ever has been. What Israel does do is protect the rights of jewish people and create an environment in which Judaism can flourish. It is Jewish supportive. The state itself is secular, though, which is why women have equal rights and gay people are not persecuted as they are in many religious countries.

i've a mind to report your post for flagrant hatred, but think it better for people to the ignorance that lies beneath the 'pro palestinian' hysteria. People chanting phrases they don't understand.

But - thats true - what exactly did Israel expect after kettling 2 million people for 15 years? Israel doesn't get to break international law ands expect no repercussions does it?

NOBODY IS IN THE RIGHT ANY MORE.

This is just a short list of reasons why people are fucked off with Israel

1. Occupation of Palestinian Territories: Following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel occupied the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip. The international community, including the United Nations, generally considers these areas to be occupied territories and regards the Israeli settlements built there as illegal under international law, a view that Israel disputes.
2. Military Operations and Conflicts: Various military operations in the Gaza Strip and West Bank have been criticized for the high civilian casualties and destruction of property. Operations such as "Cast Lead" (2008-2009), "Pillar of Defense" (2012), and "Protective Edge" (2014) have led to significant loss of life and infrastructure damage in Gaza, raising concerns about proportionality and discrimination under international humanitarian law.
3. Blockade of Gaza: Since 2007, Israel, with Egypt, has imposed a blockade on the Gaza Strip, restricting the movement of goods and people. Critics argue this blockade amounts to collective punishment, which is prohibited under international law, and severely impacts the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
4. Settlement Expansion: The continued expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem has been widely criticized as illegal under international law, particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention, and as an obstacle to peace by diminishing the viability of a future Palestinian state.
5. Home Demolitions and Evictions: Israel has been criticized for the demolition of Palestinian homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, both as punitive measures and due to lack of building permits, which are extremely difficult for Palestinians to obtain. Critics argue this practice amounts to forced displacement.
6. Treatment of Prisoners: Allegations of mistreatment and torture of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli detention facilities have been raised by human rights organizations.
7. Violence and Use of Force: There have been numerous instances where the use of force by the Israeli military and police against Palestinians has been criticized as excessive or unjustified, including during protests and confrontations.
8. Restrictions on Movement: The system of checkpoints, barriers, and the separation wall built by Israel in the West Bank has been criticized for restricting the movement of Palestinians, affecting their access to employment, education, healthcare, and religious sites. The International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinion in 2004 found that the construction of the wall in the occupied Palestinian territory was contrary to international law.

literally. Yes.

Does anyone remember in the film A Few Good Men where Tom Cruise’s character is sure that Jack Nicholson’s character is desperate to say that he ordered the Code Red and he’s pissed off he has to hide it?

That’s how I see this with Hamas’s acts of sexual violence. There are people who, bubbling just below the surface, are the words “they deserved it” because they hate Israel so much. They’re pissed off they can’t just come out and say it, but secretly they’re saying “well, what do you expect? If your government is a fascist racist state, gotta expect a bit of raping of your women from time to time eh?”

They’re pissed off they have to pretend to show concern for these women because it means they have to show criticism of Hamas and by default, agree with Israel on something. It burns them so much to do that. It’s utterly contemptible.

I actually stepped in to try and get this thread stopped because they always turn into a he said / she said pile of bullshit. You cannot view the October attacks in isolation, just like you can't view killing 30,000 Palestinians in isolation.

You can't view any of it that way and this thread is just making people angry with no resolution.