Judith Butler describes the October 7 attacks by Hamas as "armed resistance"

Posts I have reported on this very website in the last few months include ‘Jews are thieves’ ‘Jews are rich’. Credit to MNHQ for removing them immediately.
They wouldn’t be out of place in the 1930s and indeed medieval England but this was Palestine supporters.

I think it is really important people are allowed to criticise what Israel is doing but honestly you are ignoring the dark underbelly that is using humanitarian concern as a cloak.

There is nothing medieval about antisemitism. The very modern posters on this thread are so unaware of the hysteria that drives them, the desperate wish to believe jews are uniquely evil baby killers and well poisoners. If I were a jew, I wouldn't be terribly confident of living in the west and Israel is a necessary refuge, the only one in the world. I would be dead scared of the Puffyisgoods and the mobs on the streets every week. Just look at the obsessiveness on this thread.

Not sure how any of that contradicts what I said.

@EdithStourton

Some parts of Islam are very, very antisemitic.

Ain't that the truth...

https://www.instagram.com/stories/elicalebon/3318671131061080007?utmsource=iggstoryitemmshare&igsh=MTQycjlpemZsYXFveA==

if the original Zionists like Herzl & so on could have foreseen the peace & prosperity in which the majority of the world's Jewish population would live (in the US, UK, France, & so on) would be living circa 2024, I'm sure they'd have conceded that the moral case for taking a slice of the middle east by conquest was sketchy at best.
So, how's it working out for the Jews in Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, etc?

Jews were persecuted in those countries over the centuries - it had nothing to do with blaming local Jews for Zionism, though that came later. Jews were either thrown out or forced out of countries where they had a history and a presence going back millennia.

I'm sorry but the fact that medieval anti-semitism existed, was still widespread in mid 20th century Western Europe, and still exists in pockets today, does notprove that anything said about Israel today is a derivative of it. How many of the Muslim youth on the London Palestine marches grew up Dickens/Shakespeare junkies, weaned on tales of Fagin & Shylock?
Some parts of Islam are very, very antisemitic.

I think your historical perspective could do with some work TBH.

I'm sorry but the fact that medieval anti-semitism existed, was still widespread in mid 20th century Western Europe, and still exists in pockets today, does not prove that anything said about Israel today is a derivative of it. How many of the Muslim youth on the London Palestine marches grew up Dickens/Shakespeare junkies, weaned on tales of Fagin & Shylock? And the old AS stereotypes about Jews controlling the world's money markets etc are demonstrably false - look at this list of the world's biggest banks, how many were founded by, are owned by, or run by Jews? None at all. They're all WASP-ish or Asian. The modern fuss about Israel is all about Israel. Old school anti-semitism is easily more prevalent amongst MAGA types who actually, to the extent that they've heard of it, think Israel is rather wonderful.

www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/122315/worlds-top-10-banks-jpm-wfc.asp

I don't know if you haven't noticed or if you just don't care but rates of anti-Semitism are going up. Again.

Anti-Semitism has been around for thousands of years. It didn't just go away after World War 2.

yes, taken by force. not in one job lot by a single large army like Russia/Ukraine, but by smaller groups, block by block, field by field. it's still going on today, a pitch-perfect textbook example of the settler-colonial model. the individuals doing it at least have the good grace to call themselves 'settlers '.

if the original Zionists like Herzl & so on could have foreseen the peace & prosperity in which the majority of the world's Jewish population would live (in the US, UK, France, & so on) would be living circa 2024, I'm sure they'd have conceded that the moral case for taking a slice of the middle east by conquest was sketchy at best.

How could they have foreseen that in 1948@puffyisgood?

Was Israel taken by conquest? I didn’t know the Jews started and won a war against Britain. Have you got any links so I can read up about it? Must have missed that.

if the original Zionists like Herzl & so on could have foreseen the peace & prosperity in which the majority of the world's Jewish population would live (in the US, UK, France, & so on) would be living circa 2024, I'm sure they'd have conceded that the moral case for taking a slice of the middle east by conquest was sketchy at best.

the rocket attacks, the 100% military conscription rates, the endless breakouts of violence... is that supposed to go on forever? because it seems like the only (largely unspoken) plan for putting an end to it involves displacing a number of Palestinians easily greater than the number of Jews who've benefited from emigrating to Israel, to on average be far less safe and less prosperous than they would be in the US or Western Europe... does having a government that's willing to kill tens of thousands in your name somehow compensate for that?

What this thread shows is that people can take any facts and then present them to suit a position they already have.

What I don’t get about anti Zionist’s like @AlphariusOmegron is how can you say you’re not anti- Semitic when you literally don’t want the only Jewish state in the world to exist? Israel became a state almost 76 years ago probably long before you were even born, how can you oppose when it already exists? What is the point in that? If Israel was a Muslim state would anti- Zionists oppose its existence?

What do you think would happen if Israel was dismantled as a Jewish state and became part of the Palestinian Territories? Territories that didn’t even exist when Israel was created.

How do you think that will go down for the Jewish population?

It is TRA tactics all over again. Stop reasonable discussion and create diversions and scream "Genocide!" as loudly as possible. People who are truly on the Right Side of history need not do this.

You saw a thread about sexual violence against women and wanted to get it stopped?

Yes, this is very often overlooked by much media and it is sickening.

@RebelliousCow have seen some new footage this morning on Instagram of trucks being hijacked by Hamas.

There are also reports ( with visual evidence) of Egyptian lorries carrying in aid having been attacked with stones and other missiles, and drivers being injured. The drivers saying they have no intention of going back. Also reports of Hamas firing into the crowds as they ( Hamas) make off with supplies.

Yep.

I agree Israel needed to take action and also minimize casualties. I think Hamas wanted mass casualties and Israel has played into their hands in that respect - it's a useful shield against their publicised atrocities and it would add pressure at the negotiating table. The trickle of food, water and medical supplies going into the exclave is definitely on Israel - you can't tell me the inspection delays are accidental, or the problems over visas for aid workers.

The cynic in me thinks that Israel's doing this to hurt Hamas, but I don't see how, as Hamas doesn't give a crap about the populace and it's the men with guns who are most likely to get the remaining supplies; not the orphaned and sick kids.

At the moment, the reported casualties amount to 1.5% of the Gaza population. That's going to increase rapidly without any aid relief.

Yep.

It's bloody hard to minimise the impact on civilians when you have a terror organisation that embeds itself amongst them and doesn't care if they die.

A rape and terror apologist. Reduxx. Your stated aim is to destroy the thread and prevent discussion. You lot really have no self awareness.

@RebelliousCow that's how I feel.

They had to take steps to defend and protect their citizens and try to recover the hostages. They ought to have minimised the effects on civilians as much as possible.

Me too.

Agree.